Lets talk about the state of Germany

[dotSHINI]

@AlvisWisla

No one said incorrect information

@x_Shini

he is talking weird stuff all week, first he starts explaining to us that the puma penetration is right in the game and that the weight doesnt influence penetration, when we were talking about post penetration damage, then he exclaims it doesnt effect spalling and i had to dig out the datamines which proved it.

Then yesterday he goes on a rant how the german leo 2a5 and 2pl are equal to the strv 122a and b plls. the dude is just constantly plane wrong and has no idea what he talks about.
And oh yeah he said, i said that the Puma is better then the KF41 , when i said other nations get better german stuff or earlier then germany itself and named kF41 as example for the earlier

no thats just you

[Jεcka]

This is actually a pretty simple concept y’know, have you at least once tried asking people for their actual opinion here without closing your eyes, and pretending they agree with you no matter what they said?

“Agreeing with us” implies you knew their opinions beforehand, because you imagined what their opinions are going to be, and disregarded their actual statements when they contradicted your previously thought up preconceptions. Basically you assumed responsibility for those people all by yourself without asking them, you are without a doubt, an egoist with an ego the size of siberia.

And I know that you will come up with some mumbo jumbo bullshit to throw logical fallacies back at me, but at this point I don’t really care lmao, i’m just having a blast watching you, haven’t seen such a good comedy in months.

[AlvisWisla]

Um no, your post has incorrect statements in it.

Me: Mass influences penetration.
Fragmentation is likely based on mass.
Spalling originates from armor, and one of the factors is raw penetration.
2A5 & 2PL are not identical to 122B, especially not 2PL.
KF41 isn’t in German service so no one got it earlier than Germany since Germany can’t get one; this isn’t my opinion tho.

@FurinaBestArchon
You do realize I can just scroll up correct? I’ve read peoples’ posts before posting myself cause I only post after gaining information.

So you watch German vehicle players praise good vehicles?
You don’t know what ego is, and never will at this rate.
It seems like you’re just here to provoke German vehicle players.

[AlvisWisla]

@FurinaBestArchon
Thanks for admititng that you’re just here to provoke us, proving my suspected point correct.

[dotSHINI]

@AlvisWisla

Gaijin does know, and that old forum report proves Gaijin’s penetration is correct.

@x_Shini

u got it completly wrong Alvis, we arent talking about the penetration, in war thunder the weight of the pentrator decides how much it will spall, more weight =bigger mass more spall. The heavier gajin makes the round the more post penetration damage it will do.
They did it already as well to balance the damage of the QN506, they gave it a weight increase in the round to increase its damage since its performance was to bad.

Another example all APFSDS for this Bradley 25mm weights 0,1g the same as the Puma 30mm and russian 30mm weights 0,1mm as well . Only the Chinese 30mm weights 0.13g to balance its damage because it performed so badly

@AlvisWisla

Rounds don’t spall, armor does.
And we don’t know exactly how that’s calculated.
It could be purely down to round penetration & armor thickness more than anything else.

@x_Shini

it was confirmed that the weight plays a role into their damage calculation, and that is exactly the reason they increased QN506 round weight

@x_Shini

@AlvisWisla i knew i was right found the datamine for you, or do you wanna say Oshida is wrong about weight influencing spalling?

pls stop making a clown of yourself

[AlvisWisla]

Thanks for admitting you posted incorrect information about my statements by providing evidence contrary to your claims.

[dotSHINI]

@AlvisWisla

2A5 & 2PL are not identical to 122B, especially not 2PL.

@x_Shini

leo 2a5 and 2pl are equal to the strv 122a and b plls

where do i say they are identical? you are speaking nonsense once again

@AlvisWisla

KF41 isn’t in German service so no one got it earlier than Germany since Germany can’t get one; this isn’t my opinion tho.

still german vehicle

[dotSHINI]

@x_Shini

first he starts explaining to us that the puma penetration is right in the game and that the weight doesnt influence penetration, when we were talking about post penetration damage, then he exclaims it doesnt effect spalling and i had to dig out the datamines which proved it.

thats literaly what i wrote

[Jεcka]

If you’re so keen on making up stuff, because you felt offended for being called out, at least do so after actually being “one of us”, because you’re not a person anybody here would consider a “German player”, not in the slightest.

[AlvisWisla]

@x_Shini

where do i say they are identical?

No where.
No one said they’re identical.
Why do you think you or others did?

[AlvisWisla]

So people that play Germany aren’t German players… that checks out with your other provocations.
You’ve exclusively stated the opposite of reality.

[dotSHINI]

@AlvisWisla

2A5 & 2PL are not identical to 122B, especially not 2PL.

you said this nonsene out of no where seriously get yourself checked for dementia

[AlvisWisla]

How is that statement nonsense?
2A5 is not identical to 122B.
That fact won’t change just cause you call it nonsense.

[Jεcka]

In case you haven’t noticed yet, this thread is talked on mainly by German mains, and you, who isn’t one.

Then again, at this point i’m not sure if you can even tell reality and fiction apart, judging by your responses.

[dotSHINI]

and again for in game purpose

does this say weight increases spall? doesnt matter how it is in real life for game purposes that s how it works

[AlvisWisla]

Yes; I never said anything contrary to that evidence before, during, or after.

[dotSHINI]

you had a giant rant yesterday trying to say 2a5 ,2pl are equal to strv 122 which is nonsense, that is the matter about it

[NER055]

And so what?

[AlvisWisla]

No I didn’t.
I said that 122B PLSS & 2A6 are similar. Similar isn’t identical.
One has armor, one has ammo & gun.
That doesn’t make them identical.

[dotSHINI]

@AlvisWisla

Gaijin does know, and that old forum report proves Gaijin’s penetration is correct.

u starting to speak about penetration when we were talking about post penetration damage

@x_Shini_

Rounds don’t spall, armor does.
And we don’t know exactly how that’s calculated.
It could be purely down to round penetration & armor thickness more than anything else.

u exclaiming it isnt weight that influences spalling