Still, if the reason they aren’t going to work is because of a technical limitation then why add them at all? Like, they obviously knew it wasn’t gonna work the way it was meant to so why not give it HE-VT until they figure it out?
age long discussion thats an imaginable round then
True, but the round doesn’t even work in game. They could have just given it the properties of a HE-VT round. Or just make it function like HE.
Anything at this point would be nice.
I dont think theyd need all 162. Say 40 pellets would probably do. And having a consistent circular pattern means less cpu intensive as theres less randomness that needs to be calculated. I think.
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Good to know, thanks.
I would like to see how things would go if their composite was nerfed and anti-ERA tips got introduced. In my opinion, tanks like 80U and M1A1/IPM1 should be more than fine to share 11.0, while other tanks with buffed ammo could go to 12.0 alongside BVM, just to not seal club 11.0s too often.
Thank you for this information. I appreciate it.
Your assumptions are false, the Bofors 57mm L/70 Mark.1 had a AP-T round available and is still available even today because the gun is still being actively used by multiple nations Navy’s one of them being the U.S coast guard. If you really want to get info on the AP-T round and its history throughout the guns usage and development , I suggest visiting a library with plenty of books on Naval weapons or spending some time doing a better refined search online . You can also source this info pretty easily by calling some publicly available numbers for certain organizations and manufactures to verify if you feel like going the extra mile .
This info can be also easily confirmed by the brochure that is commonly found online which appears to already have been shared let lone multiple other sources. Sources I have already shared with the devs on multiple occasions, I am sure they still have a copy even though the old forums are not used anymore . FYI you can still access the old forums and look through some of the post and pictures .
A little bit of info regarding the Begleitpanzer 57mm brochure that is easily found online that a lot of people don’t know about.The brochure predates the actual built and tested vehicle so not all info on the brochure matches the fully built and tested Begleitpanzer 57 that was trialed & tested in Meppen. Even Thyssenkrup had what appears to be a outdated or earlier iteration of the brochure with a ton of missing info .
Regarding the apfsds round, it does exist just info on it is scarce due to the 57mm version of the Bofors l/70 not seeing really any adoption as a ground platform compared to its 40mm version. Info on it is more scarce then documentation on the vehicles itself. What info I have found is that both the 40mm and 57mm apfsds munitions were developed in parallel, issue with info on the 57mm sabot round is that the gun itself remained a Naval AD weapon while the 40mm saw wide adoption and testing as a ground based platform for vehicles .
There is a sabot round that can be found mentioned in certain documents pertaining to weapons/ammunition procurement for a certain Navy. A modern version of the sabot round exists, the problem being any data you could try finding is behind closed doors you cant exactly freely enter. The issue from my understanding is while info on the earlier 57mm apfsds that was originally developed for the Begleit and then Mark.1 57mm might be found somewhere ( still looking) ,the apfsds saw further development and is still available today for the Mark.3 57mm system which is probably the reason info on it is not publicly available.
Regarding the helicopter warning probe/device for the Begleit, I made a report at some point and it was suggested to me at the time to make suggestion post instead on the forums .
I am still actively researching info about the vehicle and the HWS device so I can make a suggestion post with more info, maybe the next time the devs be more willing to implement such a device since we now have IRST among other newly implement features in the game being added as time goes on .
Regarding the probe, its was what I would describe not 1 device but essentially a device with multiple different probes/sensors one being what clearly appears to be a IRST camera as well as a lasing device for calculating distance and firing solution.
Also if y’all got some time I posted a new bug report regarding the last major patch introducing a already previously fixed bug with the Begleitpanzer. For whatever reason the patch removed the vehicles ability to carry 4 different ammo types at the same time into battle, it limits it to 2 types in game .
Community Bug Reporting System
It seems to me they added the ability for us to change the amount of missiles we take for the ATGM launcher but in doing so removed the vehicles ability to bring all 4 ammo types at the same time.
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I am sure there were two prototypes, in game it had stabiliser for time but had model of unstabilised T-25, so instead of fixing visual model they decided to remkve stab. Crazy how it was treated such way.
That report was just closed, I want a pound of whatever the mods are smoking
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Its not fictional and its not magic.
In fact there exists 105mm and 88mm APCBCHEDS rounds.
They tested them, found they had a possible penetration of 300mm but broke apart due to the he filler.
Strange that you pick a fight over the maus getting a comparable shell to the m103 and sir bias.
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He/She has renamed in their nickname which means previous the nickname was offensive. I wouldn’t argue with these people
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All that means is someone else needs to make a similar report. And then another person. And another.
Surely they’ve got to have some report regarding the completed variant of the Bagel and all it’s capabilities…
Not necessarily, have had friends with completely benign names get forcefully renamed. But in this case that’s likely what happened.
I understand the mk.3 APFSDS round being classified, but how come the mk.1 is still behind closed doors? I feel like it information on a round from the 70s should be publicly available if the round isn’t in active service anymore
Lmao, seems like some flagbot is going around. My post with the DM53 versus T-90A simulation is now hidden.
Some people are just…
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@KnightoftheAbyss @LordMustang
Could I kindly ask you guys to to double check and possibly reopen this bug report which is a legit issue ?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/cNmvMelBE8qp
The report was closed that it is not a bug when it clearly is, prior to this major patch the Begleitpanzer had no issue carrying more then 2 different ammo types at the same time for the 57mm cannon while also being able to carry its ATGM .
I have attached screenshots showing the vehicle being able to carry more then 2 types of ammo into battle for the 57mm on the bug report.
If this is a limitation of the engine/game why was the vehicle prior to this patch able to carry all 4 ammo types for the 57mm gun on top of the missile ? Why does missile need to occupy both the 3rd and 4th slot, can the type of missile the vehicle chooses to carry not be foldered to only occupy 1 slot opening up at the 3rd slot for the 57mm cannon?
If I need to provide documents to let me know but this issue was fixed by the devs already back in 2019 when the dual feed system on the Begleitpanzers 57mm cannon was fixed by the devs letting it carry all 4 ammo types and instantly switch between what ammo is being shot .
** I have submitted a new report to further make a case on this issue , please reconsider sending it to the developers for their input.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SA4EoJBmllkq
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Really its because between the Mk3 and Mk1 there isn’t much change between the ammo and their capabilities… most of the changes were focused on the cannon itself.
a APFSDS round from a mk1 will have probably the same penetration as the mk3 where as the Mk3 can fire different shells (programmable) and probably the design of the APFSDS round is almost identical.
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@Karmafelds
While info for the Mk.1 apfsds is not classified its just difficult to find. Also my thinking is that the Mk.1 apfsds has info out there but the manufacturer or BAE system is unable to share any info. The reason being one info for it may just never have been released into the public domain and no info that was released is still around, 2 the round itself saw further development down the road and the gun still being used today makes getting that info difficult unless you have the right clearance or work in the industry.
Mind you researching this stuff can be very time consuming , keep in mind I have a full time job and other interests. Getting my hands on some of the info I have found took roughly 2-4 years, one issue thats unavoidable considering the age of the vehicles and info is finding older defense publications that had info and sources on this subject that are still around. There are books out there that I have not come across in any archive or public available library and only found in private collections from people I have spoken to looking into this stuff. Some of these things you just unfortunately cant find online and can be very time consuming to dig up and find. I have seen a 57mm apfsds round from a cartridge collector but the issue being is it would not help bug report the round because he has no info on it aside from who he got it from .
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Literally most civil discussion on forums. Also am I wrong or there have been 128/88 APDS in tests Germany did right before the war ended?