Lets talk about the state of Germany

I already said this in this Bagel thread, the actual official brochure says it had AP, APHE as well as some sort of APDS (with no specification of FS of not)

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Yeah, the brochure mention that as well. Give me a couple hours and I can post all the sources

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Yes and u use AP against ships…

Such small calibers are not typically used against ships to begin with. Existance of such autocannons used on ships is for close anti-air use.

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except there is no l70 AP mentioned for the bofors 57 ship cannons.

That is one line. One line that isnt very descriptive.

Where is any info proving they modified l60 shells or designed new ammo for it?

Patrol boats and pirate crafts would take a beating from even 57mm HE. Likely the anti ship use case mentioned.

That’s what pisses me off about some of these brochures… Mentions something interesting but doesn’t follow up with more information… AAAAAAAA

And for all we know these were paper shells that were planned to be designed but never were because the project failed.

Its like looking at a brochure for the pz7 lowe and saying “see this says it could penetrate 290mm of armor so that means its accurate”

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yeah… Fair enough

Found some stuff on the bagel



A few mentions of the helicopter sensor and a photo of a bagel fitted with one

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It doesn’t do 50G overload. VT-1 can’t follow a jet flying a basic turn and I doubt any jet is maneuvering more than 50G irl, the pilot would be dead instantly and the fuselage would rip into pieces. Only logical conclusion is that VT-1 does ingame around 10-15G, not more. Otherwise it wouldn’t be possible for a jet to bank away that easily.

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I would. ;)
But I’m lazy, even tho it’d take me less than 5 minutes.

I tried pawning off a Mirage 2000 report because of my laziness, but then remembered I could get it done faster.

@Thodin
Thank you for the update on VT-1. It’s nice to be aware of how useless all SPAA seemingly is currently.

helicopter warning device (sensor), but what does that exactly mean? What does it do?

One more
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We would lose an an amazing ifv at high tier.

But we would get an amazing SPAA and a lower br.

From what I’m reading on the old forums it’s supposed to work similarly to the Stormer HVM’s ADAD (Air Defence Alerting Device)

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The VEAK 40 or M247 rival

interesting.
ours doesnt have that, did that get reported by somebody?

it would be a bit worse since it doesnt have target tracking with a lead indicator. Or is that missing as well?