I would. ;)
But I’m lazy, even tho it’d take me less than 5 minutes.
I tried pawning off a Mirage 2000 report because of my laziness, but then remembered I could get it done faster.
@Thodin
Thank you for the update on VT-1. It’s nice to be aware of how useless all SPAA seemingly is currently.
helicopter warning device (sensor), but what does that exactly mean? What does it do?
One more
We would lose an an amazing ifv at high tier.
But we would get an amazing SPAA and a lower br.
From what I’m reading on the old forums it’s supposed to work similarly to the Stormer HVM’s ADAD (Air Defence Alerting Device)
The VEAK 40 or M247 rival
interesting.
ours doesnt have that, did that get reported by somebody?
it would be a bit worse since it doesnt have target tracking with a lead indicator. Or is that missing as well?
If the Bagel’s Hubschrauber-Warngerät sensor works similarly, we should be getting a lead indicator.
At least from what ive heard it essentially some microphones tuned to pick up the direction of a helicopter and its approx. Range, and a camera to detect its location. Theres conflicting reports on whether it offered any irst functionality. But seeming as it was an early 70s design id wager to bet its unlikely but plausible.
There is nothing directly, except it fitting way too well.
There is also this further information about the ammunition (note the APFSDS missing, its development likely wasnt finished when the Brochure was published (11/'77))
All that we know about the heli thingie is from the respective patents, which are somewhat … theoretical.
Its developed by Zeiss and probably Eltro Gesellschaft für Strahlentechnic, although I never found the exact link. Eltro seems to have been a partial subsidiary of Zeiss, but it has been fully absorbed in the 1990s, so information is rare.
Its based around a thermal sensor working in a wavelength somewhere around 10 μm. The biggest differention to ADAD is the way of rejecting false targets:
The Begleits system watches for signatures that change their intensity, like it is caused by the rotor of a helicopter being more or less visible to the observer depending on how its rotated.
The microphone thing is a possible variation using unidirectional microphones for identification, although the Bagel itself wasnt planned with it
microphones were the numbers 18 to 20, note that the Begleit doesnt have that separate device
But ALL patents (there are like 5 of them) mention the same
“calculated azimuth and elevation angles are automatically fed to the fire control computer. Simultaneously the weapon as well as targeting and observation devices are being trained on the targets position” or
“In further and advantageous forms of construction of the invention the signals which come from the individual channels and contain information on the direction and, if required, also on the modulating frequency and, consequently, the type of helicopter located can be analyzed by a digital computer and signals fed to a fire control computer and be used to direct a suitable sighting and/or defensive means.” (thats ONE sentence btw)
To me that sounds alot like IRST
It also was reported on old forums, but we were told to write a suggestion instead. And those were all purged in the great forum swap
Guys I want to create a topic on Indien-Panzer on the ru forum, can someone help with the information (I know Russian)
Bae system also said pretty much the same thing in a email, the ammunition is now classified.
A lot of images that were on the old forum were completely purged, God that’s annoying.
There was a page containing information on its performance, here;
Do you have the full page by any chance?
Dont forget that the bagel has the ability to shoot HOT missles as well
Yes, but pdf files cannot be uploaded to the forum, from what I know at least.
