And yet the production showcase for it had odaeon… The only functional 2a8s are the pre production models it was set for the 2a7V post 2a8 and the successful integration and testing there.
Because we were taking about captint there… And surely the 2a8 hull on it is going to be worse then the German 2a8s
Odaeon was always planned for 2a8 production model that’s why it originally didn’t have its lws during the roll out. BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WASNT READY and the only reason it wouldn’t have better armour is due to gajin and their stupidity
I said this in the R&R thread a while back too, but every other nation besides Israel either has to sacrifice something for their APS or only gets it on a worse platform.
So why should Germany get their APS on easily one of the best MBTs in game?
And the one being added to the game always would be the one missing odeaon, so i dont see your point.
Still think you are wrong there.
Since you compare different variants of tanks.
Specialy of challenger 2.
The E is not a standard challenger that even is realy in use.
The 2a8 has disadvantages as well.
Lower gun elevation, and worse mobility.
So there you go.
Where is your source for that again.
Cause it only ever talked about the lws as well.
None of the current 2a8 broschures mention odean either as a capability.
Heck not even the 2026 eurosatory showcase
And why do you think they wouldn’t add the production model and add the pre production/roll out model…
Cause there is no source confirming your odean statements to begin with.
The official statements is current roll out lacks only the lws
Awhh why does This say otherwise QUITE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT ODAEON ON THE 2A8… And later the 2a7V KNDS Deutschland und Hensoldt zeigen Kampfpanzer Leopard 2 A8 mit neuartigem Schutzsystem
Because the LWS and odaeon self protection system was still in development. They said the Lws was planned for the production model when the roll out happened.
Have you done any research on the leopard 2a8 or did you only originally pay attention to the rollout and thought that was the production model?
ODAEON – Hensoldt entwickelt optisches Detektionssystem für den Leopard Kampfpanzer omg a even older source saying Odeon was going to be integrated into the leopard 2 chassis… Does not take long to do research lmao
Great you dont read your own sources.
“Die Leistungsbeschreibung umfasst die Integration des weiter entwickelten Systems in einen KPz LEOPARD 2A7, um die Fähigkeit der Optikdetektion zu realisieren“, schrieb das BAAINBw weiter.”
They only showed it of on a 2a8 as a mock up thats it.
Girl… That’s mentioning it later going onto the 2a7V after the 2a8 integration at this point go Email the bundeswehr asking if 2a8 will have ODAEON intergrated.
Yes , 2a7V as i stated.
Thats what it was ordered for
Yea no lmao… That’s being intergrated onto the production system it wasn’t a mock up it’s a system planned for the production model
So they did the work to integrate it into the 2a8 for it to later need integration to 2a7V. Do you realize how stupid that sounds. Also btw I hope you understand the Lws is also apart of the odaeon system, unless you want to come out and say the production 2a8 won’t have Lws (what was proved otherwise)
This is why I specifically state:
That is a real stretch of a disadvantage lmao.
Not massively as the new trophy Abrams has proven (yeah I was wrong about that initially). Leo 2A8 would be in a similar weight range as the SEPv2 trophy if they just take the 2A7HU weight and add about 2 tons for the trophy system.
The official Auschreibung states its integration and testing into the 2a7V first.
Later on maybe 2a8.
You got the order wrong.
https://ted.europa.eu/de/notice/-/detail/79981-2025
On the 2a8 was just a mock up show of.
Since it looks better then 2a7V with it
And yet the showed it off on the 2a8 first there’s be limited more talks about it been on 2a8 and for when they were it was post 2a8 production.
ORRRRR hear me out shocking idea ITS GOING ON BOTH CHASSIS AND 2A8 IS GETTING IT FIRST. Plans change requirements Change.
The 2a8 is the new toy. Shiny stuff for marketing.
Officialy only the 2a7V is used for testing and implementation.
As long as you dont have a source that beats the officisl statements of the Auschreibung.
You can kindly screw of, since you acted on wrong assumptions the whole time
Might be a later add on update pn the 2a8s for all we know.
But currently the first variants will arrive all without it.
The implementation and testing on the 2a7V will need quite some time
I just dont agree to that at all.
The vehicles need to be compared to their own family.
Challenger 2 is a weird case. The 2E bwing the “best” cause of their weird implementation. And it being an export version with better engine that qas tested but never going into service
VT-4A1 needs to be compared to the VT-4 not the M1A2T or ZTZ.
Sepv2 throphy in that regard. Does an sepv3 with throphy even exist? That might be the issue there.
I’m comparing the APS tanks to the best tanks their respective nations have available at their BR, and almost all of them are worse besides their APS.
