I’m sure the list would be longer, but not all cases are the same.
In this case, we’re talking about one of the three German indigenous aircraft available for German TT after WWII. I think we should have one more variant in TT and it’s not fair that Japan has two variants and we don’t.
I mean, I’m not asking for the Lynx. Although it also seems unfair not to have the Lynx, we have many options in ground TT, but in the air tech tree the situation is very different.
@Leo2A6EX-live the passed suggested vehicles do not realy mean anything.
Its not a show of anything.
I know but if we take the Abrams step v3 for instance that was passed last month and added this update. Germany didn’t get anything this update so the most logical thing is a new mbt this update.
The 2a7a1 was passed - most likely addition hopefully with a additional mbt being something like 2a7+ or something uparmoured at least.
Passed means nothing but it’s pretty logical to guess 2a7a1 is planned for the APS tanks
We already got promised a new helicopter.
So no, a new mbt is not garanteed.
Most logical thing still.stays the 2a8. As they can resolve awedens lack of APS system as well.
Or what do you suppose they are supposed to get.
Cause sweden is already getting screwed in the helicopter department. And sweden is quite favoured in ground by gajin.
2a7a1 just isnt the most logical. Simply cause it camt be reused
You could just get nothing in the APS department. Maybe gajin doesn’t want to skip right to 2a8
Who cares! Germany needs a APS tank and tbh more tanks in general 2a7a1 does fix that. Although a uparmoured leopard would be much nicer to see.
Copy and pasting leopards and not adding the unique domestic german is not the way gajin should go about adding theses tanks.
So is Germany…
Also when did they specifically say they were adding a new helicopter to Germany.
Next step is MITL helis for everyone (besides sweden) that is an official statement.
Geemany can get the H145M (which apparantly gets LDRCCM) or the spanish block 2.
So germany has sth.
While not completly stated APS is the next step for all nations, and nprwegian 2a8 is the only optipn for sweden.
The 2a8 is just as much german as the 2a7a1.
Just cause its exported to multiple nations doesnt invalidate it.
When they announced the MITL delay and wanting to add it to all possible trees.
Smin specialy needed to backtrack and correct that sweden isnt getting anything, since there is no options.
Germany has options
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Here u go specialy named in the changel9gs as well
And they will get the 2a8 in the future when the game is ready and all nations have something close to the level.
Yes but your skipping huge gaps again. Why do you want another 2a7V situation to happen where Germany has 1 top tier tank instead of full and clear lineups of tanks of a similar capabilities.
So again not specifically about Germany lmao.
And you know simply they can just not add a APS tank for them… They already have one of the strongest lineups in all of top tier. They can get the 123A soon and they’d still be incredibly good
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You mean like we expected the 2a6ex and so on but got the 2a7V?
Most nations dont realy have equivalents in the first place thats the issue. Would mean we never get the 2a8.
Cause its not as big of a step as you make it out to be.
As i showed you yes, germany is included.
… Your clueless here lmao 2a7V and 2a8 is a huge gap and 2a8 alone would likely cause their to be a new br range
Apart from nations are either working on equivalents or starting to produce them (rip Japan and Israel tho)
And that was a mistake by Gajin they skipped to quickly to the 2a7V and left Germany without any other tanks of similar capabilities still after 3 years.
Idk why your so interested again to rush forward in mbts leaving a huge gap in capabilities and lineups, your skipping to a future where there’s limited additions
2a8 is a 2a7v with lws and aps.
Thats it. Its not a huge step.
It even gets less gun elevation cause of the fcs upgrade.
We are not aware if it would get the heli tracking
KF51 likely still is more of an upgrade over the 2a8 for italy and hungary.
Equivalents most likely would be chally 3.
Dont know enough about the new abrams.
Btw japan started aps development on their current tank. But still no equivalent. Neither would be french version.
CAPINT being a clear upgrade
They could have added worse tanks but still armored to fill the line up.
That has been done plenty of times.
They just didnt want to.
Cause you are wrong in that regard.
2a8 is a 2a8 nice… But sure it’s not a huge step if you ignore odaeon and the improvements in armour
The kf51s Hungary and Italy are getting especially Hungary would be worse/on par to the German kf51s and 2a8
Kinda we down know much about what the final version will be apart from it will use a 2a8 chassis.
Again why do you want to rush forward massively in tank development instead of receiving domestic German leopards and upgrades… I genuinely don’t get why your so obsessed with wanting the 2a8 and Germany to have 1 tank again as their best
There’s literally like 4 options at best for modern mbts the rest were mock ups and aren’t really suited.
I already correctrd that you know what i mean.
You cant prove that. It will be implemented same as 2a7V
Thats not even part of the planned initial 2a8 lol.
It was shown of atvthe eurosatory thats it
Prototype version eith 130mm and nothing else?
Trough the cannon would be better
But its not a normal in service tank.
Autoloaded cannon and more. With all features not even being clear.
Upgraded 2a7 chassis.
2a8 chassis is a 2a7 one to begin with.
I am just being logical and what would be gajins best cost effectivness decision.
They can always still add slightly worse ones later on.
Nobody stops them.from adding 2a7a1 later.
But initialy 2a8 makes more sense since it hits multiple nations need.
And about sweden having an already strong line up. Since when does gajin care. They want to mske money thats it
Leo 2 arc 3.0 fully functional. So is kf51 130mm.
Embt series and so on. Are all valid as implementation there werent mock ups
Quite literally was planned for the 2a8 from beginning…
Again just ignore the autoloader the upgraded hull and turret strikeshield and whatever else they show off in future models.
All kf51s are autoloaded but Hungary was looking at buying the kf51 EVO what is the worst of the family…
No it’s a 2a8… Ffs man https://knds.com/en/press-releases/knds-unveils-a-new-main-battle-tank-generation-and-charts-the-future-of-very-long-range-artillery. Why are you so confident calling it a 2a7 hull when knds previously has stated it’s completely redesigned
Orrrrr yk just don’t add them your skipping another 10 years in tank development and ignoring the current gaps and issues with the German top tier tree
Embt 2022 and EMBT ADT were mock ups. Not functional. The A.RC was functional during its original showcase the 2026 model is unknown.
Anyway I’m not continuing this because having this conversation with you is completely useless and you don’t want any balance and complete and competitive lineups for Germany. You just want another 2a5 situation in it being completely unfair and a full sweep where the meta and all everyone will use is 2a8s in this case.
Just because something seems to be the next step doesn’t mean all nations will get it in a similar timeframe.
Just look at the AESA situation, not every nation has a top tier AESA plane.
Factualy not.
The development was approved for the 2a7 and the leo 3 at first.
The only functional 2a8 does not have the odean.
Its literaly only a 2a7v with aps and lws.
You go on and on about mock ups.
But think a mock up will be part of its implementation
Thats about the CAPINT jesus.
2a8 if anything is only technical interface aspects and wiring.
Not armor wise
But thats about lack of options wasnt it?
I think only one lacking now is israel.
Did an aesa plane of theirs exist outside of plans?
Should have gotten the greece rafale already there i agree.
But sweden has an option. The isralian options/plans just arent quote realised yet. Since its a new rafale model apparantly
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Exactly, so it’s no problem/nothing special for a nation to also wait 6-9 months for their APS tank to be added when it won’t be as stupidly strong.
But sweden/germany have options.
Waiting makes no point.
And what would change in 6-9 months?
Reasonably what would other nations get that would equal it?
Besides that leo2a6 is vastly overestimating the capability of the 2a8. It wont be added with better armor and or the LDRCCM system