Lets talk about the state of Germany

Will the flight performance you can fire them off and then pop last miunute to lase them leaving the SAMs and tanks no chance. Almost more like guided rockets than missiles.

Gaijin hate Western composite and ERA…Only Russia/China can have ERA that works :(

or try to overrun pantsir by firing all of them at the same time, kinda waste but very effective

Nobody argued that

Parry this you casual memes

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It can be trough unfair implementations like strv122s or italian tigris were germany the original country of origin didnt get their equivalents.
Or look at the ridiculous thing thats the pzh2k right now and compare it to the plz05 from the same update.
.the game is more then top tier overall and we can call over a longer time period and not just the here and now

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Didn’t say they did? Thats just what the opinion that I hold?

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I agree with that, there definitely has been some questionable decisions!

I agree and it sucks because it’s literally the only option for helicopter we get.
PARS are reaaaally bad, they have the same issues as the Spikes where they are NOT top-down attacking.

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I’d debate that the ONLY reason the Puma is “the best IFV” is that Snail hasn’t introduced them to other nations yet, NOT that its an insane killing machine.
see tracks blowing out, Spike flight physics, autoloader after being repaired taking 300s to reload

Sam - Pantsir (not even close) -----Agreed.
Tank - 2A7 (better thermals matters more than slight armour increase) ----- Disagree, 122B+ is better.
IFV - PUMA/2S38/CV-90 -------- Disagree, See Above (Could agree on 2S38 at 10.3)
Best light tank - CV120, Centaro, Type 16, Stryker MGS all pretty similar ----Boxer maybe? They gave weaker engine for 0 reason.
Jet for CAP - Typhoon/F-15E ------Agreed
Jet for CAS - Typhoon/Su-34/F-15E -------Agreed
Helicopter - Ka-52 (doesnt face Pantsir) Tiger with FnF missiles/ Israeli Ah-64 with SPIKE ------Disagree with the Spike carriers, see Flight physics, amount of missiles carried (8 vs 16)

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The 2s38 isnt really even an ifv its more like a multirole spaa. But even then its not the best. The bagel is one of the best despite its ap shell getting stuck on armor and it not having its historical abilities. If the bagel got its features i doubt thered be any argument against it being the most powerful ifv in game.

But currently from personal experience the strf 9040s are the best. I prefer the puma irl and just playing it but i do far better more consistently in the 9040s. The 40mm apfsds has enough pen to bully many mbts frontally whereas penning even the abrams with the puma can be hit or miss since its turret ring got a slight buff.

The chadley isnt even up for debate imo that thing needs m935a2 because waiting 5 seconds after stopping to fire a tow2 in the ground is pain. Actually fix tows and give it m935a2 and it could easily be top 3.

The puma is a one trick pony, a gun. An ok gun, its not exceptional like the 2s38 or great like the 40mm its just ok. Its armor means diddly squat at its current br and even less so with the puma s1. The hull down ability is great but how useful will you be when your just sitting behind a rock.

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yeahhh no, the bagel is slow and got further nerfs last year
gen 1 thermals, no irst

even with the few “upgrades” it could get it wouldnt be to strong, the heli warning system is no irst
apfsds has no sources
the only “good” upgrade it can get is a missle change to hots if i remember right, the bagel by farrr isnt the best ifv, not to mention how it isnt an ifv to begin with

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well it does and even a source on penetration values but…
the source has no title

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whatever sources exist are still classified and cant be viewed, which is a shame since its 50 years old at this point

well aside from the mention in janes and IDR etc,

example

there’s this
british ammunition statistics report.zip (628.3 KB)
from the above
image

I’d say they are still solid after 8.0 but I do feel as though they are lacking compared to other trees in the 8.0+ area.

I actually love the markers, it’s the MBTs that just feel lackluster to me. Especially the first leopard, I’m not saying it’s bad, it just does very poorly in a update(yes, I know others do as well but the Leo really lacks stuff to help it with the exception of good mobility)

German 8.0+ is filled with good vehicles.
Just look at Begel, 1A5, TAM, T-72, KPz-70, M48 Super, TAM 2C, 2K, Wiesel 1A2, Leopard 2A4/5/6/7.

I’m not saying they are bad, just meh when you compare to others up until the 10.7 bracket.

Many of those tanks are nice but just…ehhh

I wouldn’t think any vehicle I just mentioned is just meh when compared to their peers.

Bagel is very nice

1A5 meh

TAM is good

T-72 is good but it’s Russian so about equal

KPZ-70 I don’t really bring anymore. Too inconsistent dmg.

M48 super…just meh

Tam 2C is great.

2k is very meh

Wiesels are indeed nice

And then it gets good with the leopard 2s

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