That place still is sweden.
Only cause we got the eurofighter now doesnt mean the advantage of 3 strv122s, better lights, better spaa just dissapears.
And the gripen still is very competitive with having real fnf armament as well.
seriously you are just mainly a german hater and that shows, so much that you throw claims into the room without even realy thinking about it.
Germany is in a good place in Grb now, propably solid place 2. Still lacks in a lot of areas
They are not useable at all agaibst space climbers or atgm launchers what u mean
They are only effective against guys that come to close
Besides that you not even reading his comment clearly. A nation can still be threatet badly even if its “meta” right now.
His main complained was about italy getting a better tiger that is valid and did happen.
He even said that germany isnt the worst nation etc. You are clearly once again misinterpreting stuff into it.
Sweden have fewer high tier Leopards.
Sweden have arguably a better light tank but pretty equal IFVs VILKAS, PUMA, BOXER etc.
Sweden has a better SAM, I disagree Strela is still capable after the initial attacks as is the OSA (has a similar range to the ADATS)
Germany has the Tornado and Typhoon now capable of high tier CAS Tornado is a great backup to the Typhoon when the SAM threat has been dealt with or just mark the map and drop the JDAMS in GPS mode and farm the sams sitting in the spawn
Gripen is great but it has to sacrifice its A2A load out for CAS. 4 AGM 65s but only 2 Aim9Ms
Typhoon can go full A2A with 4 120s and Aim9s and have Brimstones/LGBS
Excluding the ITO and the small improvements to the STRV 122 over the 2A7 I dont see Sweden as being superior to Germany.
Are you actually trying to say its better to have one singular uparmored Leopard, the 2A7V and the rest basically glasscannons with the 2PSO, 2A5 and 2A6 than it is to have 3 Strv 122s and one Leopard 2A6?
Ok, glass cannons compared to the 2A7V, which can actually stop something with its hull front. Most things just go straight through. And still doesnt change that Sweden still has 3 uparmored, spall liner equipped Leopards compared to the singular one that germans is getting
Are you forgetting that sweden has 2a6 as well?
Or you realy want to count the premium /squadron stuff into it as well which more often then not require payments?
Equal ifvs doesnr matter ,they have the better light thats a fact. Light tanks and ifvs take on the same role in war thunder in scouting and reducing air spawn costs.
Which sweden does have a second gripen for as well. Or you wanna argue that the grioen is worse then tornados now?
I didnt argue that the typhoon is worse then the gripen.
I said that the gripen still is a competent cas. Learn to understand.
Besides that with all the ifvs ,spaas etc that you are counting. How freaking big do you even wanna make your line up?
Stay in a realistic line up. Which were sweden overall stays stronger in mbts, lights, spaas.
German has the advantage in planes now and in a heli which is map dependend.
Still atbthe end of the day u cant clearly call germany place 1 which you ohhhh so confiniently did out of your jias and german hate
No, thats just you who thinks that.
We never did those claims.
We never pretended to be a bad nation.
Its just your constant illusion cause we complain about sweden constantly and your biased brain hallucinates the rest
Agree to disagree,
the 2A6, 2A5 and 2A4M, 2PL are not still very good tanks better than a lot of other nations have as top tier options. All of them are superior to the Leclerc, CR2, Merkava, Type 10 and the Arriete so much so Gaijin have given France and Italy Leopard 2A6 and A7 respectively.
So what do you rank the best nations in game right now overall? If we were to do a list of best vehicles.
Sam - Pantsir (not even close)
Tank - 2A7 (better thermals matters more than slight armour increase)
IFV - PUMA/2S38/CV-90
Best light tank - CV120, Centaro, Type 16, Stryker MGS all pretty similar
Jet for CAP - Typhoon/F-15E
Jet for CAS - Typhoon/Su-34/F-15E
Helicopter - Ka-52 (doesnt face Pantsir) Tiger with FnF missiles/ Israeli Ah-64 with SPIKE
Lots of players have huge lineups if you are paying for premium vehicles players will and do spend GE to have huge lineups.
I just dont think Germany are as poor as you make out. Thats an opinion
Again your illusions?
Where did i compare them to other nations?
Or say they are worse?
We are speaking about comparison to sweden.
Jesus get a grip of yourself yiu are constantly trying to change the topic to stay right.
Strv122s do have gen 2 commander thermals.
Differenxe between gen 2 and 3 are neglible
Again show me where we did?
I remember only comparing to sweden, saying germany is placed solidly at place 2.
The only comparison someone did was compare a tiger to the italian tiger.
In which case they were right with them having the better one