Lets talk about the state of Germany

10s? This is wrong and there is no advantage over artillery of the same class. Considering that the balance should be 6s, the 05 of the same grade has a better magnification, and the liquid suspension can also get more depression angles

Nope, M107 and french OE 155 F3 only. Rounds I doubt it used but is probably compatible with just cuz of STANAG letting 155mm artillery shells be usable by any NATO country artilleries.

Yeah took it out into a test drive before looking at the stats and was confused as to why it was taking so long to reload. Not only was it 6 sec on the dev server but from everything ive heard its autoladed with around a 6 sec reload. Gaijin once again deciding when and where they want to apply their rules.

If the rules are completely subjective then are they even rules? Or just personal whims?

Pzh2000, rdflt and the rank bloody EIGHT 10.7 cv90mk4 vs the bmd4m and last updates plz05. Its pretty clear what models got more love and which tanks are favored.

Because somehow the plz05 is balanced at 7.7 with spall liners helping against mg and autocannons a 7.5 sec reload and a stock shell with really good velocity. But the pzh2000 would be unbalanced at 7.7 with less armor no spall liners, a comparable shell locked behind rank 4 mods and a 1.5 second faster reload.

MMHHMM SUUURREE

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Tell me you hate German tank technology because they are awesome, without telling me you hate them. 🤣

There is no difference between 3.3 seconds and 10 seconds for peak reload.
Russian fear the German Technology. 😝
It is also difficult to understand that three shots can be fired in 10 seconds. The secret documents weren’t exactly clear.
Nightvision is also missing.

Nice work.

People like you are the reason they don’t take us seriously.

But man, imagine me being actually excited for the Pzh and they do this… Like this is just bordering on contempt how they are doing this double standard.

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It’s easy to say that “people like me are to blame” for Gaijin not being interested in the community and doing their own thing.
But the fact is that you should take a look at what the developers are doing.
The last top vehicles from the Germans were all more or less carelessly made and equipped with things they don’t use.
The PzH is just the icing on the cake.

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Saying that Gaijin hates German tanks is what gives people who play Germany a bad name.

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In general I think saying Gaijin hates Germany is nonsense, but it seems to apply to the PzH specifically, because otherwise I cant explain why allmost everything about it is wrong.

Like, reload aside:

  • Should be firing DM121/L15A2 & have access to SAP-Rounds, for some reason exclusively has a WW2-era american HE shell and a french one
  • gun specifically designed to outperform the M109A3, most shells perform WORSE than on the M109A1
  • Should be protected against 14.5mm Fire, not even protected against .50
  • Should have a spall-liner, nowhere to be found

The chinese PLZ05 is basically better at every conceivable metric than the PzH by a wide margin (the sole thing is does worse is the turret rotating very slightly slower), yet its at the same BR.

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I’d be in favour of adding all of that, while also moving it up in BR, but I don’t want a fast reloading artillery vehicle with spall liners at 7.7.

I’m usually in favour of balance over realism, but not when the unrealistic aspects make something worse and less balanced.

Too bad gaijin clearly does.

I wouldnt care if it moves up to 8.0, its a better BR for germany anyway, but I dont understand why the PLZ can have all of that and remain 7.7 yet the PzH for some reason cant.

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Well you see western designers clearly havent progressed in artillery design since ww2.

Even though theres CLEAR bias towards china and russia at least the pzh2000 isnt the sholef. Gaijin bothered to either make a model with the laser rangefinder on it or bought a model with it. When something like that is clearly visible and you cant be arsed to program the ability in game after what 6 months then maybe you shouldnt own the game.

Move it up for bigger br and make it like real. I don’t see any problem

The real reason they dont wanna move it up is the Vidar. Dont get me wrong i love the Vidar on my 10.3-13.0 lineup, its not great since most of the advantages are gone at this BR. Regardless id like to see the Vidar moved to 8.7, higher and it realistically doesnt have anything going for it. As again almost everyone has stabilizers (not you france), LRF, and some with thermals. Then at 8.0 the PzH 2000 could be pretty nice with its changes especially as it bolsters the 8.0 lineup, sadly we lose a pretty cool 7.7 but thats my take anyways.

Some people get way too hooked on 1 tank being modeled poorly and think they are the only ones with the problem.

Germany actually has the largest ground tree in the game now after this update, Dethroning Russia who previously was the largest.

More shit doesnt mean germany is good. It just means theres more shit.

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Yeah but the German ground tree is great, and it’s one of the best.

However like the air tree, it could be better at certain BRs.

Id beg to differ. Up to about 7.7 its great. After that it lacks a lot of the punch other nations have. The 2a5 onward doesnt make every other tank in the high tiers great.

Germany has 1 good tech tree IFV currently with the insane treatment of the pumas and the forever mediocre marders. And that ifv STILL isnt accurate.

The total amount of vehicles means diddly squat in my opinion. Who cares if germany now has the most tanks because of premiums and SPAAs that are outclassed by CAS at any given br.

What matters is how many of what type each nation has and whether or not those vehicles are comparable to other nations.

Germany isnt the worst nation in game, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt be broiling gaijin for their clear bias against germany. Like the tiger ost being added to shut us up after backstabbing us by giving italy the best tiger. That premium isnt a positive thing to be praised.

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This is why German mains get a bad reputation.

That is almost every single SPAA in the entire game.

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I have been critical of German mains in the past…But you are another level.
Germany as it stands is one SAM away from being hands down the best nation in the game,

Leopard 2A7
PUMA (yes it’s not as good as it could be, but in game it’s one of the best high tier IFVs)
Tiger (PARS dont always kill tanks but they kill SAMS and do not require the hand holding of Hellfires)
Eurofighter (the best jet in the game by a good margin)
Flakrad the reload and 2 missiles kills it in top tier but a good player can still use it well. Strella and OSA also pretty playable at higher BRs.

I’m sorry friend Germany are the best nation in the game right now.

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