Literally. Its no contest that the F-15E/I is the best jet in the game (both for A2A and CAS).
Honestly IDK why they didn’t make it a simple FnF. Just copy the Kh-38T’s FnF stats since its the best FnF missile.
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Just like to point this out(if someone knows how to do the spoiler thing lmk):
ICE’s rating on the new wiki:
F-15E’s rating on the new wiki:
Is the phantom’s airframe really that bad at 13.0? And are 4 Aim-120s+4 9Ls also that bad at 13.0?
They also need to clarify what the balance metric even means.
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I love my ICE, it’s fun(
I still wonder why the aircraft with the best camos irl gets none basically…
I bet you guys didn’t even know about one of the funniest mechanics of the Agile Eagle kit, it’s pretty game changing. If ICE had like 6 maverics and HMD - I wouldn’t even want anything else for the next year, lol.
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Since IR missiles don’t really matter (flares everywhere in abundance), an ordnance count of just 4 radar missiles is not really good. Its even worse with the Mig-29 with its mere two radar missiles. You shot two times and you’re almost useless. At least for me. IR missiles just don’t work for me. Also things like a HMD isn’t rally valued in BR matters. ICE has none, but most planes you’re playing against have HMD’s.
The raw ordnance count is imho something Gajin does not consider for balancing. Also ground related. Jets with 6 Mavericks cost the same amount of spawn points and share the same BR as a jet which might have just 2 Mavericks. Or the Tornado with just 4 GBUs shares the same BR as CAS jets which have more and more advanced ordnance.
Its all a bit strange. Tornado Assta at GRB BR 11.3 with not a single vehicle sharing this BR (!!! its so pointless) and other nations get CAS jets with far more booom at lower BRs. The 10.3 Tornados with just 1000lb bombs, nothing else, vs 2S6 or Strelas. Seriously. Its bad. The situation is so bad.
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4 x aim120s is good.
Compare it to the av8B+ ir harrier.
People always leave out the fact that the ICE has the best radar and RWR at 13.0. Compare it to the J8F and the ICE is essentially a 13.7 fighter compared to the J8F, compression is just awful for air.
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the FM of the F4F ICE isnt even as bad as say, the F4EJ for example.
rather than push stuff up such as teh F15E and other jets, we are now recompressing the F4F ICE, which by all regards has the best ARH missiles in game, For the BR one of the best radars and pretty potent IR missiles.
But it is what it is.
Id say this. Radar is far more valuable as a missile barge than anything else. If your radar sucks you are at a major disadvantage for ARH, its either the JA37Di for the worst radar or maybe the J8F, the Di has the worst RWR at 13.0 but the radar is abysmal for ARH. Ill take the vehicle with the better radar and fewer missiles if it means i have a btter chance of using ARH as intended and not as AIM-7M’s
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I’ll admit, its not a bad airframe. Its just outdated for what it faces.
Not bad, just nothing special since everything else can have similar or better loadouts. Couple that with the outdated airframe and…yeah. Little to no CAS options for its BR outside of 2 mavericks and the issue of SP in ground RP does not help.
You may see it rarely in air RB, but almost never in sim.
For me, the F4F Ice is the best 13.0 aircraft, the 4x AIM 120 and the incredible radar is a powerful combo, its miles better than the MIG 29G with 2 SARH and meh radar
fr tho it should have its overpressure mechanics just like the Hellfires
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Pars damage is indeed very weak. For non-russian MBT targets just go for it and fire 3-4 per tank. Light tanks 1 Pars and russian MBTs 2 Pars (the turret ammo storage is a nice feature… 1-2 Pars is ok :) ).
If you shot vs. Pantsir trucks, consider its damage model broken. Fire as much as possible until you get the kill message. Same for Challenger models, they’re also somehow bugged. Very hard to kill them with Pars, the damage somehow gets eaten up by certain model elements…shot as much as possible.
Pars has no overpressure, so thats just necessary. Sometimes it even fails to kill a BMP or an SPAA, if you’ve bad luck.
Do it like this and stay near the helipad for constant reloading, Then you might get kills. Do not shot one vs. enemy tanks and expect a kill. Do as I suggested above.
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It’s not just the Pantsir, I tried the FlakBus and it too struggles to even overpressure the cabin. It ultimately boils down to how large vehicles eat overpressure and CE damage, which sucks for PARS since they don’t have enough HE filler to guarantee a one hit KO. It takes at least 4 to 5 PARS to take out a single Pantsir, this needs fixing.
You won’t get a shot at Pantsir if they could just shot down your PARS or throw some smokes and missile’d you behind smoke covers.
My point still stands, PARS should have their overpressure mechanic added to improve it’s effectiveness and I won’t waste my already limited 8 PARS which compared to some nations that has like x16 1 shot 1 kill missiles with chin turret to protect themselves against airborne targets and better range to kill A SPAA.
Meanwhile Tiger with limited 8 r&g missile and barely usable AAM is just pure pain to work with.
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PARS is fire and forget though the Hellfires and Ah-64 while they carry more you need to hold that Hellfires hand as IOG isnt reliable.
Then you have Russian Helis that dont have to deal with Pantsir.
10s Pzh 2000 reload…
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Thats a joke, right? Does it atleast get L15A2 now?
Seems no.