Lets talk about the state of Germany

Machinery of War Discussion
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First off rank 7 ground isnt even fleshed out yet so idk what youre on about. Like they literaly just a short while ago moved rank 6 vehicles to rank 7 to try and flesh rank 7 out a bit. What makes you think theyd remove a bunch of vehicles from rank 7 right after that.

Secondly yeah thats not likely, gaijin still believes the 2a6 to be one of the best mbts so adding an upgraded version of it wouldnt make sense. And why would they add the f4f ice when theyve already given germany top tier jets this year.

Also ARH has like 500 definitions attatched to it, and multiple to do with military. Try to use full definitions instead of acronyms for uncommon acronyms.

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Ah no that has been confirmed by gajin that they will add an actual upgrade to the german tree

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721

Hi,long time no see! How many patches we will wait?

722

confirmed for this year, so either supirse addition for this update or next one

723

With t-90m, wich all ru community asks developers for

724

No one needs BF-109F4 Trop, it’s still there as a superior F4 for engine power.

@theHarbinger123
Rank 7 is fleshed out.
BR 11.7+ are rank 8 capable.
The only country without much BR 10.3 - 11.3 items is France.

Leopard 2A7+ & T-90M are coming for 12.0 more than likely. Especially since a more armored Leopard 2 is confirmed for this year by staff.
F-4F ICE is Germany’s only AMRAAM option, and is a faster less dogfight capable F-18 essentially.
IDK why you & Nero seemingly hate Germany so much.

725

Honestly do i even want to see it ?
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PL got upgrade top 3rd gen thermals? and all leoaprd got variable mantle thickness whatever that means
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726

Volumetric armor; ends funni 1200mm thick points.

727

i guess thats a buff then, if other parts didnt end up being weaker then before now

728

Even more bizarre is that even in a downtier you won’t see the new Leopard chassis SPAA.

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729

Yeah, generally speaking it feels more and more like a fever dream.

But in the specific context of the joke I was making - since I play WW2 stuff only, and that’s the immersion I go for, I look at these three lineups…

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And think wow. That’s not the 1945 (or alt hist 1946) war production that I remember. Someone must have put the staff of Waffen Prüfen 6 on Ritalin :D

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730

You havent been paying much attention to this discussion or “germany deserves the kf41 as well”, it seems.

Ive learned as a german main to doubt gaijin doing anything good for us after the removal of ONLY german fake tanks and removal of ONLY the maus because balance and because they wanted to turn it into an event vehicle.

And because they added not one, not two, but THREE of our top tier jets as EVENT vehicles prior to us getting tech tree versions. Why didnt all other tornados come as event rewards first?

And because after many other nations got their ifvs we had to wait until after not one, not two, but three vehicles with the marder chassis were in game before we got the base marder with no good features.

Because we had to wait not one, not two, but 3 years for a new mbt, and the one we got is objectively worse than the 2a5 because of its increased useless weight.

Because weve waited over a year for the puma to be fixed and the only thing theyve done is fix the one bug that made it stronger. The invicible turret after ammo detonation.

Because weve waited over a year for manually guided spikes to be added to the puma or a puma with spikes, and theyve not only NOT done that but they have given italy not 1, but TWO vehicles with spikes.

Because when FRANCE kicked and screamed about the sk105 gaijin bended their knee and gave a version to france, but when germany kicked and screamed about the kf41 gaijin flat out said NO, with a maybe other versions at some point. Love them weasel words.

Because other nations tanks and planes get to use shells and weapons they never had equiped but the bagelpanzer still doesnt have apfsds which it can fire, the bofors 57mm rounds are interchangable between generations.

Why would i trust that gaijin would give germany anything at this point???

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Only German? lol You’re definitely new.
There are countless fake/non-national vehicles removed.
Britain had Shot Kal Delet removed from acquisition.
USA had Magach removed from acqusition.
Etc.
Germany is not the only one.

2 of those event vehicles are objectively bad due to no countermeasures. No, 12 is not enough.
Tornado IDS is only good in air RB as a bomber, and that’s it.
Tornado ASSTA is not an event vehicle.

Germany waited less than a year for a new MBT, and Germany’s getting 2 this year.

Germany gets the best Mig-29 for next update in the air superiority role.
Leopard 2A7+ will be the most armored tank next to T-90M, and potentially M1A2 SEP2.

Manually guided Spikes aren’t coming to any ground vehicle for a while. No vehicle in WT has manually guided Spikes.

SK105 is not a German vehicle, stop claiming it is. KF-41 is not in German service, stop claiming it is. Real life Germany is calling you a liar.
The fact you claim real life Germany are liars when they prove you wrong is annoying.
Germany isn’t Gaijin.

Begleitpanzer with APFSDS would be 10.0+, and it’s far better as a 9.3 vehicle.

Gaijin gives Germany great equipment every update, and those facts will not change.

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732

France, Israel, Japan do not have modern IFVs

Italy, Israel do not have high tier SPAAs (Japan kinda at this update)

Laughable to compare a minor nation to the big three

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Which one of those were not premiums? And which one of those were fake?

Yeah not even gonna bother.

Lets remove every vehicle that isnt from that specific nation then. Seriously what are you even saying?

Dont care, should the 2s38s apfsds be rempved so it can be 9.3?

This is objectively wrong and from now on ill be ignoring comments like this.

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734

u always are wrong with that number, i showed u multiple times that it was 2-3 years

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735

and if you think we are getting the 2a7+ next you are completly wrong, it will mostly end up being sth like the 2a6ex

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737

we never said it was. we said it is a german vehicle, which is the truth

it is the german marder chassis and was a test vehicle, german playerbase is not at fault that they arent giving french the upgraded version

738

france has one sadly, it is a premium sadly, but they do own one now

italy technbicaly has one as well, just that it is limited to be the best cannon spaa

we arent compeltly comparing them to minor nations but fact is compared to US and RU, germany got way less attention and realy isnt part of any “BIG” 3, a lot would argue that China is on the way to replace germany for big 3

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Stop calling all German vehicle playing critics of War Thunder “Gaijin shills”. We get that you feel we’re attacking your favorite game, but we’re not; We’re endorsing its improvement.

@theHarbinger123

If sub-trees or tech trees come to the game, then vehicles of that nation should be removed from tech trees elsewhere.

Mig-29G, M109G, Leopard 2A5 PSO, Mig-29, Tornado IDS ASSTA, Su-22M4.
Up until late last year Germany was the only tech tree in War Thunder firing DM53.

@x_Shini
First off, T-72M1 was introduced into Germany as a unique vehicle in March of this year.
Second, the following vehicles that were added to have tech trees catch up to Germany & Israel were added within the last year: M1A2 SEP Oct 26th 2022; Chally 2E March 2023; TKX March 2023; WZ1001 December 2022; Ariete AMV March 2023.
So yes, in both interpretations of “new MBT”, it was within a year.
Germany had a head start of everyone, and it took longer than it should’ve for other tech trees to catch up.

2A7+ is a more armored Leopard 2, and would make a perfect 12.0 MBT for Germany & Italy. It’s not anymore powerful than 12.0 for War Thunder.

SK105 is not on a Marder chassis, and is not a test vehicle; SK105 is a production vehicle used by Austria, and exported to Argentina; Neither of which are sub/tech trees in War Thunder; meaning the vehicle can go anywhere Gaijin wants.