Lets talk about the state of Germany

Machinery of War Discussion
7083

I understand the sentiment, tbh id like them.to get the f18 and EF at the same time.

Give the EF to britain and italy as well. Then the F18 only to gemany.

Just because the EF is extemely iconic for all 3 nations.

What i would genuinely prefer is if we stopped this nonsense, of flavour of tbe month.

Re-evaluate and rebalance the game fair for all.

Rather than some trees being left in tbe dark, others getting half buffed but no air for example like germany. Etc etc

I want balance im tired of every one demanding what they want and sod everyone else.

7084

Genuinely super pissed about this method by gaijin.
I should add it to my other response.

Theyre way of balancing by just.copy pasting a leopard into the tree, or russian equipment is just pathetic.

The kh29Ts are one taps but yeah as i said its not as competitive as other jets but it is still something. Im well aware germany is lacking good cas and cap at high to top tier.
I just want balance.

I dont want next patch germany to get hyper buffed air then everyone else is left to eat sand especially minor nations.

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7085

make it atleast 4

  1. nation that have 3 122’s/2a7v’s equivalent
  2. nation that have atleast 1 122’s/2a7v’s equivalent
  3. (closer 2.5 than 3) nation that have BVM or 90m equivalent
  4. Everyone else

after playing sweden and unlocking all 3 122’s i must say their lineup is far stronger than germany with 2a7v (for ground only lineup), not only because it have more 2a7v’s equivalent than germany, so having more mbt with usable hull ufp, but also they have far stronger ufp (believe it or not sometime i still get penetrated in the ufp while using 2a7v, never when using 122’s, hopefully gaijin fix 2a7v’s armor soon), have more leopard with hull spall liner (3x122’s vs 1x2a7v), and m/95 having noticeably more spall, so higher 1 shot potential, than dm53, don’t know what happen with dm53 cause imo it even have less spall than L27a1

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7086

Yeah true, Sweden is kind of in a category of their own at top tier ground.

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7087

No. Equality or nothing.
All tech trees need F-15C MSIP II equivalents, and no one should be left out again, let alone due to bias.

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7088

Not possible for some due to doctrine and politics but the Eurofighters are a step in the right direction for now

7089

precisely. the EF should go to every tree that literally designed and manufactured it.

This nonsense of trees getting a flavour of the month being ridiculously good is just tiresome. balance over preferential treatment.

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7090

most nations have some equivelant to the F15C

italy, germany and britian all have access to the EF typhoon.
China already has the J10 and the JF17
Sweden has gripens
France the mirages and the rafale
japan and isreal have the F15C essentially.

see where im going here.

What we shouldnt be doing here is releasing for example the EF to just germany for no reason other than german mains are salty. this nonsense has to stop in general

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7091

Yeah, yeah maybe tell something new. Your complaints about "i know anything and my opinion is best " already tired of it…

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7092

right so yeah okay, give germany the tranch 1

don’t give it to britain why? because they had a huge part of the development? stfu man.

You quoted one part of what i said and completely ignored the rest. THAT ALL NATIONS SHOULD BE EQUAL. Balanced. Why bring the eurofighter to just Germany tell me?

also
This i have never said once before. Also it is grammatically incorrect. It should be “I know everything and my opinion is best” which it bloody is not and when folks, prove me wrong like @AlvisWisla has done before i concede my point.
You however as far as I have seen contributed absolutely 0 to what I said, and have said I believe this is the first time you have even responded to me. Just to try detract from the entire point of what I made with some poorly quoted attack that makes 0 sense. You also have literally less than half the battles I do in this game, I have tallied up nearly 3000 hours of playtime, (which im not entirely proud of) Yes id like to see all trees balanced out moderately.
Not giving preferential treatment to any one of them at all.

7093

I don’t even tell, that brits didn’t deserve it.

7094

Well, he have many problems with manipulation with his words. It’s create big causes…

7095

then what in christ was the point in your comment at all.
do me a favour and make coherent sense if youre going to respond to me.

7097

Just stop responding mate. You arent contributing a damn thing to the conversation at all xD just trynna what insult me?

I play the game because its one of the only if not only of its kind.
I come here to discuss ways we can fix, balance, and change the game for the benefit of folks like you who play it off the cuff.
Why insult me? What do you want? like are you just here to start a drama or something?

7098

Soviets should be left out of it for the next 3 years or so. Seemed fair to them - seems fair to me :/

7099

yes，UHT Very challenging of the player’s skills

7100

Well, the Leopard II rear hemisphere nerf is rediculous. Is it even real? Its almost impossible to play now. Wounder why all other tanks can just fire 360 degree as they want.

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7101

F18 only to germany while asking for equality and non flavor of the month? Did i miss something cause thats literally the opposite of what you want. If rather see nation with the least amount of rank 8 TT vehicles get more stuff. Its oke of the reasons id rather britain not get the F18 if the EFT comes since the EFT will be better.

7102

idk i just hope they add EF for the 3 nations on next update to finally have something equal to the actual meta. What i wouldnt like is Gaijin adding more advanced vehicles to some nations and repeat the process of leave behind some nations on the meta like they did with Germany like 4 times already.

i dont want another “left behind” move to happen again

like some dude said before:

"Gen 4 air (mostly)came out with Apex Predators update, December 2022.
(US had already received the F14 in Danger Zone, June 2022)
Germany received an event tornado and the ASSTA1. They were useable in the beginning for base bombing, nothing much else.
USA received TWO (2) F16s.
USSR received Mig29.
Other nations received F16s.

Germany FINALLY received the first Mig29 (first top tier air rb useable plane) for update Sky Guardians, March 2023.
With this update came UPGRADED F16s, Yak 141.
(Now Germany are behind and have been since the first iteration of the new gen jets.)

La Royale, June 2023, brought F14 to America, TWO (2) SU variants for USSR, Upgraded Italian Tornado.
Germany still behind. (Not talking about other nations being behind as well, just Germany.)

Sons of Attila, September 2023, brought ANOTHER upgraded F16 for US, Upgraded Mig29 for USSR.
Germany still behind.

it wasn’t until Kings of Battle, October 2023, that Germany finally received their Top Tier Air RB compatible jet. Neither Major nation listed (USSR or US) received an upgrade to the current F16/F14/Mig29.
Germany can compete here.

Air Superiority, December 2023, brought F15s to US/JPN//Israel, Su-27 for USSR, Gripen, J-11 for China.
Germany received a premium Tornado (after BR changes rendering it essentially useless.)
Germany is BEHIND AGAIN.

Alpha Strike, March 2024 brought in new Gripen, not much else, F20 is meh.
Germany still behind.

Seek and Destroy, June 2024, brought in AMRAAMS, Upgraded F15, AV8B+, for US, Upgraded Su27 for USSR, Upgraded Tornado for Britain, Upgraded J-11 for China, and Germany received the F4F Ice.
Please do not make me go into detail about the ICE. 3rd Gen airframe is UNUSEABLE in Air RB, anyone saying otherwise is full of it. Also no HMD, radar search modes.
Germany is STILL behind and this time the gap is MASSIVE.

Dance of Dragons brought in Upgraded A10 for US, upgraded Su24 for USSR, Jf-17 and J-10 for China, Upgraded F16 for Israel.
Germany still behind."

things like that should stop, we should everyone get equals at the same time.

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7103

Soviets have been left out for 3 years at this point, but this is the subject about Germany; and Germany has needed Typhoon since F-15C MSIP II came to War Thunder.

@鲁邦三世
Tiger UHT requires skill because ADATS + exists.
You have to use tactics that prevents a missile to your face.

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