Lets talk about the state of Germany

it actually is. germany is what the 2nd best nation in game for ground and while it doesnt have a top tier CAP capable plane/ arb plane it still has jets with FnF AGMs that are usuable in top tier. (i use the hunter as ive not got to the su22s yet) and it works just fine.

germany doesnt need much done to it as of rn bar a top tier such as the F18 or an F16.

look at isreal, or japan, theyre literally bare bones trees. and their solution for france was to fill it with copy and paste.

thats exactly what i mean lot of times when i say Germany is always late lol

Well that isnt true.

Aircraft are just as much a part of grb then tanks and plays a huge role into viability.
Germany has a solid ground yes.
But the general weakness for air hinders it quite a bit.

At top tier those options are not realy useable lack tgp on those aircraft weakens them immensly not mentioning pantsir

Ground wise no

But overall if looked at top tier italy and sweden propably might both be better in grb because of their great aircraft access.
Only thing italy truely lacks as of right now is a real top tier spaa

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When you compare US to German winrates at top tier you’ll see the differences better tanks make compared to better planes.

It’s only when you have outstandingly long range weaponry like the Kh38 where you see a massive difference.

I have seen less than 10 other players in the ICE since it released. The thing is still absolute dog. Lack of HMS is a massive hinderance. It flies like a damn building. Everyone and their mother crying that it goes down .3* BR is the funniest thing I read.
At least WT players should have learned a valuable lesson here: Do NOT add a superior weapon to a non-superior plane. This is what happens when you give AMRAAMS to a boat, and now people see the JA37Di will experience the same fate as the ICE.

The Eurofighter got leaked for the next update, so my guess is that Germany’s air woes will be fixed soon.

If by “ground” you mean 1 MBT, then sure. Everything else in the ground tree is lacking.
FlaRakRad vs Pantsir
Puma/Begleit/VJTF vs 2S38
FlaRakRad vs ITO 90m

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On gszabi’s? If so, i can definitely see that redaction as being Eurofighter Tranche

i cannot FATHOM why Russia would be getting yet ANOTHER top tier plane, Su-33, unless there’s some sort of preferential treatm… nevermind.

Everything sucks compared to the Pantsir, but I agree that Germany needs another top tier SPAA just as badly as the US does.

Those vehicles are all insanely strong. Yes, the 2S38 is under-BR’d, but Germany is no slouch when it comes to its light vehicles. Germany’s ground tree is very good, if not still the best in the game.

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I doubt that the SU-33 will be game-changing. It looks like it will be just another Su-27.

Hard disagree. 2S38 will eat the puma or begle alive.
2 years ago I’d agree the Puma is insanely strong, but not now. The begle is alright, but compared to the 2S38 it is far inferior. Even with the addition of the VJTF nothing has changed as

  1. Tracks still blow when hitting ammo
  2. Spikes are still not useable, they are bouncing off roofs of pantsirs and abrams.
  3. It is missing a new dart, and the MUSS system does not work.
  4. The APHE also does not behave as it should, despite numerous reports over the years.
  5. The roof armor was simplified when the vehicle was released, and they have not corrected it despite numerous reports.

If you mean being best in the game near rank 5, sure. They are considered “OP”, “Best in the Game” because of the 2A7. Literally the only reason. But now that there’s 2 other nations that have a better variant of the same tank, one sees how its not true.

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Still, adding yet another plane, this time it has 12 external hardpoints, when other trees TOP plane can only carry 6 is pretty massive.

su-33 can’t use r-77

Never said it could.

Well, transhe 1. Only block 5 can use GBU

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The absence of FOX-3 does not allow the Su-33 to be called a top plane.

Personally, idgaf about ground ordinance, I leave that to CAS players.
I would like a plane I can use at top tier that stands a chance against the other planes.
Currently the Mig29G is the only option, and it lacks AMRAAMS and a decent radar/RWR.

Pedantic move on. You clearly did not understand my post.

Well i wish for new year - rmk 30 for uht…

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100% agreeance. Maybe what @Armen_Lozone was saying when you drop/remove weaponry from the UHT and add the KHT in place with the THOR upgrades. Germany is severely lacking in the heli department as well. PARS 3 are NOT it.

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