Lets talk about the state of Germany

When you compare US to German winrates at top tier you’ll see the differences better tanks make compared to better planes.

It’s only when you have outstandingly long range weaponry like the Kh38 where you see a massive difference.

I have seen less than 10 other players in the ICE since it released. The thing is still absolute dog. Lack of HMS is a massive hinderance. It flies like a damn building. Everyone and their mother crying that it goes down .3* BR is the funniest thing I read.
At least WT players should have learned a valuable lesson here: Do NOT add a superior weapon to a non-superior plane. This is what happens when you give AMRAAMS to a boat, and now people see the JA37Di will experience the same fate as the ICE.

The Eurofighter got leaked for the next update, so my guess is that Germany’s air woes will be fixed soon.

If by “ground” you mean 1 MBT, then sure. Everything else in the ground tree is lacking.
FlaRakRad vs Pantsir
Puma/Begleit/VJTF vs 2S38
FlaRakRad vs ITO 90m

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On gszabi’s? If so, i can definitely see that redaction as being Eurofighter Tranche

i cannot FATHOM why Russia would be getting yet ANOTHER top tier plane, Su-33, unless there’s some sort of preferential treatm… nevermind.

Everything sucks compared to the Pantsir, but I agree that Germany needs another top tier SPAA just as badly as the US does.

Those vehicles are all insanely strong. Yes, the 2S38 is under-BR’d, but Germany is no slouch when it comes to its light vehicles. Germany’s ground tree is very good, if not still the best in the game.

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I doubt that the SU-33 will be game-changing. It looks like it will be just another Su-27.

Hard disagree. 2S38 will eat the puma or begle alive.
2 years ago I’d agree the Puma is insanely strong, but not now. The begle is alright, but compared to the 2S38 it is far inferior. Even with the addition of the VJTF nothing has changed as

  1. Tracks still blow when hitting ammo
  2. Spikes are still not useable, they are bouncing off roofs of pantsirs and abrams.
  3. It is missing a new dart, and the MUSS system does not work.
  4. The APHE also does not behave as it should, despite numerous reports over the years.
  5. The roof armor was simplified when the vehicle was released, and they have not corrected it despite numerous reports.

If you mean being best in the game near rank 5, sure. They are considered “OP”, “Best in the Game” because of the 2A7. Literally the only reason. But now that there’s 2 other nations that have a better variant of the same tank, one sees how its not true.

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Still, adding yet another plane, this time it has 12 external hardpoints, when other trees TOP plane can only carry 6 is pretty massive.

su-33 can’t use r-77

Never said it could.

Well, transhe 1. Only block 5 can use GBU

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The absence of FOX-3 does not allow the Su-33 to be called a top plane.

Personally, idgaf about ground ordinance, I leave that to CAS players.
I would like a plane I can use at top tier that stands a chance against the other planes.
Currently the Mig29G is the only option, and it lacks AMRAAMS and a decent radar/RWR.

Pedantic move on. You clearly did not understand my post.

Well i wish for new year - rmk 30 for uht…

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100% agreeance. Maybe what @Armen_Lozone was saying when you drop/remove weaponry from the UHT and add the KHT in place with the THOR upgrades. Germany is severely lacking in the heli department as well. PARS 3 are NOT it.

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Also we missed ASGARD upgrade. Well, we also want “possible” things like for others.

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It’s not my fault that you called an ancient flanker a top plane, which has the same old radar and Fox-1 missiles, when we already have many 21st century planes with Fox-3 in the game
Well, bye then.

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Yep. Seems other nations are given the “possible” additions, whereas Germany is not.

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