Lets talk about the state of Germany

With the current state the PUMA’s are in the first one should go back to 9.0 ( never should have been moved up in the first place it was fine at 9.0) and the new one should be 10.3. If they fix the hundreds of bugs and give the PUMA’s their proper armor values and make SPIKE’s not sh** then they can move them back up.

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Any hope of having some top tier aircraft for this year? Like some early version of the Eurofighter?

Most likely a Swiss F/A-18C before we get a Eurofighter.

With JDAMs in the game now, we could hopefully get the Tornado ASSTA3 or SLE that could carry them in this update.
Lets hope that the vehicles on the dev server right now are not all of them.
Last dev server some vehicles came only in the second or third update of the Dev-server, like the AV-8B plus for US.

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yeah aint happening / highly doubt it

vehicles like the boxer or OSA are much more likely still to come

One can hope.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if Germany gets a new and shiny toy when it is rusty aka an update later (as always).
Or they just put them on the ASSTA1, ignoring their own standards (as usual).

Let us watch together how GB gets the Australian Boxer and Italy the Hungarian/Romanian? OSA before we get anything.
(Knowing Gaijin they could pull off this stunt)

But yeah, let’s hope the currently new vehicles aren’t all of them.

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Which will unfortunately be the worst F-18 in game since it doesn’t have any (yes, none) ground attack ordnance

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The difference is enormous.
I really appreciate you trying to prove otherwise but the pixel hunting necessary on the Strv to find a spot that spalls similarly to the Germans ones is really obvious tbh.

Edit: 2A7V is indeed a bit more similar to the Strv, but try out the rest of the Leos.
This shot only gets the breech on the 2A7 and Strv:

This also affects the Finnish Leo.
The problem is that the Strv (and to some extend the 2A7) has a different and noticeably superiour damage model for the breech area.

They promised a rework some 9 months ago but I doubt it’s coming.

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I didn’t compare the other Leo’s as i assumed they didnt have the specific damage model to the 122 and 2a7. As someone else has stated the 2a7 was supposedly copied from the 122 despite them sharing very similar holes in the armor as i had ahown in a previous post(and them also veing differentbecausegaijins gotta gaijin). Im not suprised the breach shot changes. My original comparison was both the 122 and 2a7. I dont see a reason they should have different breach damage models but maybe im dumb. Regardless yes, its very easy to pen thw breach in the other leos conpared to the 2a7 and 122.

Isnt it crazy how the second puma is sitting at a higher BR just because it has spikes? Every other video i game that has Spike missiles, they literally fly over the terrain and hit their targets, will floy low to the ground, thn over a mountain, and still hit its target. In warthunder? Like firing a marshmallow.

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Should be at 10.3, and so should the Kf41. A .7 increase for an unreliable gimmick makes no sense. Even more worse is there isnt a viable lineup for it

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I really want to understand the economics behind 4 Spikes being equal to 0.7 br. Does this means that the Vilkas without the missiles is a 9.7 vehicle??

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more or less I think the VBCI-2 is 9.7 aswell.

But hey I saw that the spikes got changed in the datamines. Seems to be a buff overall

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The KF41 is 10.7 mostly due to legacy BR. You can’t have a vehicle that is better at a lower BR.

Seeing as the VBCI-2 and upcoming RCV squadron vehicle are essentially Vilkas without spikes, yes.

Most likely, look at the radkampfwagen 90 9.7

So the Wiesel 1 mells would be 10.3. Oof

Whats crazier is it ISNT the puma s1 with MUSS 2 that would actually be useful against top tier choppers.

The armor that WAS great at 8.3 is useless against even atgms at 10.7, its only useful against autocannons and only frontally.

AHEAD is still busted and why would you take 100 of your only 400 rounds and turn it into trash. The puma despite not having any infantry only gets to carry 100 more rounds than the bradley gets in one single belt.

But on the bright side it means we WILL get the puma s1 3 years down the road. And we will be getting swiss tanks 5 years down the road.

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this is the PUMA S1 there has been running the missinformation that this is the PUMA VJTF wich is just the name of the squad the PUMA is in, when in reallity the PUMA VJTF its just a PUMA S1
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MUSS 2 is on no service Puma, dunno where that misconception even comes from honestly.

The first time we saw a MUSS 2.0 on a Puma was this summer on the Eurosatory 2024, and is nowhere near close realy being operational and in service