Yea cool.
Britain managed to purchase a number of T-80Us directly from Russia and that was after the fall of the Soviet Union (1991) and was used to develop L27A1
L27A1 had ‘finished’ development (that is, the configuration was already frozen in place) before Britian got their hands on a T-80U officially. But, if Germany had acquired a T-80U even earlier than that, it would make a lot more sense then for the UK to have finished that fast (data sharing and all), not hard to imagine.
Russian records state the tank wasnt put into mass production and delivered to units from 1985 to 1987.
In 1985 the T-80BV was being delivered.
The final T-80U (U = usovershenstvovanniy: improved) design aka Obiekt 219AS, was the Obiekt 219A with the engine and ATGM capability of the Obiekt 219V. An initial batch of 20 vehicles for field trials (1983) saw the T-80U accepted into Russian Army service in 1985, followed by serial production in 1987.
Further more the German units operating in Europe recieved the tank in 1986.
Someones dates are wrong. I would be interested to see the report or document that proves Germany managed to buy/steal a Russian T-80U tank from from Soviet tank regiments equipped with this tank. As it was delivered.
If thats the case it’s a masterstroke in inteligence gathering.
there u have it mass production, might already have some produced before and brought to germany for testing etc
if you could provide proof like furina that could be more credible
Alright, I can see you’re not the brightest star in the sky…
T-80U / UD in Kharkov:
1983 - 10 T-80U units (December).
1985 - 30 units T-80U + 5 units T-80UD.
further only UD.
1986 - 45-47 units
1987 - 75 units
1988 - 125 units
1989 -150 units
1990 - 170 units
1991 - 100 units
1992 - 43 units
This here are the production numbers for the T-80U each year in Kharkiv, enjoy.
That aside, I didn’t know a vehicle has to first enter mass production & full service before it can be smuggled over the border, I’m guessing BND didn’t know that either.
T-80U produced 10 would have been for evaluation…(stop being a womble)
Then accepted in 1985 when mass production began 30 units delivered to what division?
So with only 10 in circulation Germany managed to get one lets also imagine these tanks would be at Kubinka undergoing trials and testing, with a few sent to frontline units.
That’s incredible again provide some evidence. Just to preface this, this is Russia’s brand new MBT with a brand new armour package. This would have been one of the closest guarded Soviet secrets at the time.
Unless you can tell me the took the tank while being tested and delivered it to West Germany through all the security checkpoints.
I really want to read more about it share the documents.
“That aside, I didn’t know a vehicle has to first enter mass production & full service before it can be smuggled over the border, I’m guessing BND didn’t know that either.”
I provided photos of what the book states, you’re actually an idiot if you think I have access to the information the author has, go mail him or something rather than wasting my time with your completely nonsensical demands, Holy Mother of God, this British main… alternatively, go cry about the 2A4M CAN some more.
we provided evidence, you are saying mimimi its like this because i say so
Its your turn to provide evidence not ours, we provided already
You are like one of the guys that said germany never had R-73 when there was the same proof and the IRIS-T literaly developed out of them
Thanks least someone on this page isn’t condescending
youre not serious…? are you…? please tell me youre not serious…
Ok maybe if you had posted the image you posted 40 posts up I would have seen it.
Then the tank came from Belarus not Russia also changes things.
rule number 1 bro don’t be a d#ck
oh yeah, plenty of russian said that
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Yes further up, could have easily prompted it, here is the article.
I didn’t say that, Germany had the R-73 on the MiG 29 with the HMD it was it’s party trick
we said all the time that we already posted the sources, you literaly ignored the part
The fact you thought this discussion even came out to be without a source being posted here first
There are 5969 individual posts.
Anyway cool to know I was interested in how the T-80U was in German hands and the book explains it. procured from Belarus. I was hoping for more detail
You quite literally quoted my post where I posted the pages talking about this. You’re a prime example of how not to start an argument.
Not even that, you have begun to doubt the validity of the claims made by the author (who, btw, had served in the Bundeswehr for 41 years, beginning in 1979, and was likely present for the trials of the T-80U in Germany) based on delivery and DOI dates because you were simply incapable of believing that Germany had been capable of procuring samples of cutting-edge AFVs; you didn’t ask me what book those pages were from either, nada.
Seriously, what a boy who cried wolf you are…
I quoted the post stating the date the tank went into service, I didn’t see the other article just the one about the 2A8. I had never heard about Germany having a T-80U which is still crazy when Britain acquiring one 6 years later such a huge deal was made of it.
Again didn’t realise the T-80 story was from a book, it sounded too fanciful. Imagine the M1A1 had just reached Europe and that year Russia managed to get a brand new one across the border, it’s incredulous. I’m not going to challenge a primary source and it’s interesting to learn about it.
Russia did acquire data on Leopard 2’s B-technology armor only a couple of years after it had entered service (why else do you think the 3BM-32 and 42 were developed on such short notice?). They likely had data on M1s and Challenger 1s armors as well.
