DM73 dosent have a diffferent penetrator so it can’t really “pen” relikt it can force it’s way through with raw penetration but not counter relikt as such
M829A3
M892A3 was made to counter kontakt 5 in a more “refined” way instead of brute forcing it, M829A4 was meant to counter relikt, not M829A3
I doubt that relik even able to protect against the round such as DM73 or M829A4
M829A3 still has a 50% success rate against Relikt, though, iirc
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but isn’t only to ranges of up to 1.5km ? or something like that ?
36% at 2.5 km
Forum is over 5k posts at the time of first reading (and writing) and don’t have the time to read the whole thing, but if its been discussed please tell me and I’ll go read that bit.
Onto my question; the gepard 1a2 dpesn’t have ANY night vision devices, from reading open sources, some say that the upgraded 1a2 version does have night vision capabilities, some say it has thermal capabilities, and I even found 1 that said only the driver had night vision, but otherwise nowhere explicitly states that it did not have any night vision, that is, specifically stating they do not have any as opposed to not mentioning any capability (or lack therof). From a gameplay perspective a 9.7 vehicle that, very reasonably, could end up fighting in night battles (10.0 locked) should probably have some qol nvd’s but if they don’t want to add them… :\
Also the FIM-92K is supposedly a variant designed specifically to receive data from a vehicles sensors for initial targeting, looking moreso at the ozelot IRST locking a target in range, but not the missile (planes can use their radar’s to help their IR missiles so I don’t see why the gepard couldn’t do the same with K variant) this would be unavailable when firing E variant stingers for both the ozelot and gepard 1a2.
Would be nice to know if the devs have looked at either of these, as there was a post on the old forum, that didn’t get passed on, although that was for the gepard (pre 1a2 addition) which I believe should have a laser rangefinder as it was not added to the vehicles that underwent the upgrade to the 1a2 standard (that is, the laser rangefinder was already present, atleast for the german versions, the dutch cheetah’s might be different)
Something strange i see. Only Germany will have new fleet or i miss something?
It’s not all in the leak list, we are still missing a Lot
different upgraded variant, not the one in game
datalink as a whole is a missing feature in the game
The biggest problem on the Gepard1a2 in the game is the missing FAPDS rounds, thats it pretty much
Found what appears to be a primary source, published in 1982, which states the main production series Gepard (for the German and Belgian armed forces) were all either equipped with or were capable of receiving a laser-rangefinder (literally an additional box is bolted onto a mounting point when a vehicle is upgraded) and all vehicles that didn’t initially have a LRF at production, had the mounts for later installation as the LRF was still being finalized during contract negotiations (for the vehicles delivered to Belgium only half received a LRF, the other half did not, unlike the ones for Germany, of which 225 received a LRF before delivery, while 195 produced before the LRF was ready had provisions for the later installment)
Enough to get the 8.3 Gepard a LRF? Also, why tf does the API(-T) only have HALF the pen at 1000m that it did IRL? Still gonna look for details about the upgraded version (1a2). How come air get radar assisted targeting for IR missiles… why can’t AA?
Edit: here’s the link
Relevant pages for the Gepard are about 150 - 210
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Well, all Gepards did receive a LRF as part of the A2 upgrade.
As for penetration, Gaijin uses a standardised formula to calculate it rather than penetration statistics.
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You didn’t cite the alleged correct penetration of API-T, more that you didn’t have it in your post.
Apologies, on page 189 there is a diagram showing impact angle vs armor penetration, measured at a range of 1000m for the API round, which has a peak value of 90mm when impacting at 90 degrees (or atleast, thats how I read it)
Well, it specifies the AP box, which is used for APDS.
It doesn’t specify what AP it is though.
Ok I figured out what I think to be the misunderstanding, In game we have HEI(-T) API(-T) and APDS, which is not the full compliment of NATO 35x228mm cartridges available for employment. From NAMMO, a Norwegian firm that manufacturers 35x228mm ammunition, the penetration observed in game matches that of their SAPHEI rounds. Which actually makes sense given that the current in game “AP” does appear to have some explosive filler when testing in the protection analysis. In which case… the AP ammo from the above source, would be what is in game “APDS” although I can’t find anything with regards to the nature of this AP (full-caliber vs sub-caliber) as from the NATO standardized types available, FAPDS is the only ‘true’ AP ammunition that would be available (5 types of HE, 2 SAPHEI, tracer practice rounds, and 2 types of airburst ammunition being the others that I could find)
tldr: the “API(-T)” in game should be called SAPHEI(-T) and (speculation here) the FAPDS that we wish for might be the APDS, but ham-stringed, bc a full belt of that would require balancing
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That they did, and over half of them had LRF as they rolled off the production line into service, so it seems a bit weird (to me) that the standard Gepard (8.3) doesn’t get it.
the APDS is APDS, also called PMD 049 by Oerlikon
The SAPHEI ingame seems to be not PMD 044, but PSBH/B, which is an earlier round
Oh and lastly the HEI is MSB/K based on its filler weight, but it shouldnt have a tracer
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So gaijin is giving us old ammo if I read that right, amazingly not surprised, also if we have the APDS (PMD 049) in Game as our “self defence” ammunition, that means that the round we should theoretically have is the APFSDS-T (PMD-60) as our self defense ammunition instead and the inclusion of the APDS or FAPDS (PMD 049 or PMD 055) if it indeed is intended for AA purposes, within the main ammunition store, as for the HEI, only having 1/4th of the belt as tracers would be a nice reason to use the HEI belt.
Separately, nice work finding this, awesome to read and see.
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