i know but gaijooble has to keep up with “russia good, nato bad” stuff …
I mean we can see it everywhere … xD
And you are on the other side of that spectrum.
Nato good, russia bad.
From throughout the history Russian’s equipment rarely show it superiority over NATO equivalent in real combat from Israil-arab war to War in Ukraine
Also the same flaws exist in Russian tanks for almost six decade still exist even in newest model of Russia tanks hardly think otherwise from the country that let the same flaws from the past still exist in the new model
nah i think what i want to think
And what you can see in the WWW is the usual ru tanks ejecting crew+ turret after a penetrating hit.
yes yes now you gonna show the posts about the turks with leopards (ammo doors welded to stay open)
or arabs in m1’s etc
I also saw an awful lot of nato equipment burning in the last few months…
Real war is not war thunder.
Even with those pictures is anyone dare to talk about casualties rate? People can show picture of turk’s Leopard or Arab’s Abrams all they want but dare to mention casualties rate?
What make in worse is when country that manufacture the said vehicles still perform poorly in them?
Difference with that NATO equipment is that often the crew survived instead of being turned to dust or sent into space alongside the turret
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To compare burning down to blowing up, i’ve seen nato equipments work in keeping the crew alive, which means keeping a well-trained crew is better than keeping a tank, since the tank can be replaced a well trained crew cant
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The vehicle is still inoperable, i don’t see the revelance to war thunder.
You’re telling me you couldn’t one the UFP of 2A6? That’s odd
yall were talking of overall superiority on the tanks, im comparing them tbh i would rather be in a NATO tank than in a russian tank, its just more survivable, T90M hasnt advanced much either just thicker armor and spall liners, meanwhile the transmission it could’ve gotten and never got its still pending, they still decided to use hydraulic horizontal drive, their FCS its still outdated even tho they upgraded their T90M FCS, and their overall mobility isnt much better
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i wont deny they were pretty advanced at their time but they got stuck and couldnt keep up, mostly because of the fall of the soviet union and how their projects got delayed or lost, cool tanks but to modern standards they are not so good anymore
Me too.
We know for a long time they don’t have their focus on crew surviveability in their tank construction.
But it’s the same coping since 1943 “T34 so bad compared to our mighty tiger, but hanz we are still losing zee warrr.”
2A7 is far superior to the T90M also in war thunder, so i don’t see the issue.
Tanks became more vulnerable to all different kind of equipment anyway.
Just look at the cheap drones and thats only one of many examples.
Brother are you delusional? How in the hell is T90M is inferior to Leopard 2A7V??? In order to kill a T90M you need to aim at a singular perfect pixel when its facing you where a T90M can click mostly anywhere in front aside from lower frontal hull lmao
of course it is but there are also issues with the main armor on the hull that is supposed to be as strong as the turret and is getting pen’d due to armor holes that shouldnt be there in the first place, The current damage model has a floating turret and a hull with holes, and the apfsds buff just made apfsds absolutely stupid for any tank and leopard 2 is getting affected since now getting shot anywhere with pen means death, and that includes abrams, ariete, type 10, challenger 2, T series, ZTZ, STRV 122, Merkavas, and Leclercs
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The Leopard is better mate
I was referring to the topic of armor and spalling, in every other aspect it is for sure
Leo has: Better ammo, better mobility, better gun handling. All the meta defining stuff.
Just a load of dirrhea and not true.
no i will agree with him the 2A7V has superior pen, reverse, thermals, and reload speed, but T90M has a nuking shell and stupid amounts of survivability, but do not forget the fact that the leopard is incorrectly modeled
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