Lets talk about the state of Germany

Machinery of War Discussion
7320

That’s because you’ve lost the argument

7321

There wasn’t an argument we both agree CR2 is bad

7322

Its not as bad as you claimed to be.

Sure it has its own downsize but they are actually rather enjoyable and solid tanks, they are just not on Leopar2A7V/Strv122 level thats all.

7323

They are a palate cleanser. They are slow and meticulous a completely different play style to a Leopard 2. A fun novelty.

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7324

I like more muh type 10 aggresive gameplay

7325

They are not that slow, especially First Chally2,Black Knight and 2E.

7326

I do as well but i also enjoy Challenger’s playstyle.

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7327

Maybe not slow in terms of top speed but very chonky and annoying to manouver.

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7328

Thats the issue in a straight line they are fine moving to a ridge to fire and is so unbearable slow.
And yes turning gaijin needs to model modern tank steering and torque.

7329

They are pretty bad tbh man.

Luque claimed they were absolutely useless which isnt true.

But they are not excellent tanks, id verge on saying they arent even solid, but ill reserve that statement until i get the leclercs and merkavas.

7330

They lose too much speed turning and are far heavier than other tanks for recovering said speed.

59kmph is fast enough but in the straight line regard.

7331

I will say dm13 shatters a lot on the 105mm on tanks like 1a5 a1a1

7332

Leopard 2k is a phenomenal tank even for 10.0

7333

Dm13 on 105?

Dm13 on the leopard 1a1 is potent af man

7334

i shot Xm803 in the side well before he could react shell shattered i died

7335

I mean that’s vague, as well volumetric has a huge part to play.

Seen an xm800 eat an L15A3 earlier

7336

yeah well should not be voulmetricing on 15mms of armor

7337

I’m talking about 120mm DM13, not 105mm.

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7338

look forward to the future

Germany started the development for the leopard 3 with 130mm cannon
Take a guess what the new concept proving ammunition is gonna be called.
If you guessed DM 13 you are right, the HE is DM11 as well and the first real round is gonna go back to the good old DM23. And thats all for the 130mm caliber xD

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7339

The Leopard 2 140 is the one I’m more looking forward to for the game.

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