yeahhh no, the bagel is slow and got further nerfs last year
gen 1 thermals, no irst
even with the few “upgrades” it could get it wouldnt be to strong, the heli warning system is no irst
apfsds has no sources
the only “good” upgrade it can get is a missle change to hots if i remember right, the bagel by farrr isnt the best ifv, not to mention how it isnt an ifv to begin with
well it does and even a source on penetration values but…
the source has no title
whatever sources exist are still classified and cant be viewed, which is a shame since its 50 years old at this point
well aside from the mention in janes and IDR etc,
there’s this
british ammunition statistics report.zip (628.3 KB)
from the above
I’d say they are still solid after 8.0 but I do feel as though they are lacking compared to other trees in the 8.0+ area.
I actually love the markers, it’s the MBTs that just feel lackluster to me. Especially the first leopard, I’m not saying it’s bad, it just does very poorly in a update(yes, I know others do as well but the Leo really lacks stuff to help it with the exception of good mobility)
German 8.0+ is filled with good vehicles.
Just look at Begel, 1A5, TAM, T-72, KPz-70, M48 Super, TAM 2C, 2K, Wiesel 1A2, Leopard 2A4/5/6/7.
I’m not saying they are bad, just meh when you compare to others up until the 10.7 bracket.
Many of those tanks are nice but just…ehhh
I wouldn’t think any vehicle I just mentioned is just meh when compared to their peers.
Bagel is very nice
1A5 meh
TAM is good
T-72 is good but it’s Russian so about equal
KPZ-70 I don’t really bring anymore. Too inconsistent dmg.
M48 super…just meh
Tam 2C is great.
2k is very meh
Wiesels are indeed nice
And then it gets good with the leopard 2s
I really like tanks like KPz-70 and it’s copies as they’ll have UFO mobility and gun handling for their BR, with KPz-70 having crazy reload and 20mm autocannon to go with it. Yes, dart is not great but it’s certainly can be worked around.
Now Germany got the OSA and Strela, so even their AA line is looking pretty good.
What tank are you playing? Because it’s very clearly not the Leopard 2K.
2k is imo the best 9.7 tank, i love that thing
A 9.7 using DM13 and no thermals my man
I took the kpz out of the lineups just because of the gun. The mobility is great and the 20mm gun is awesome but it doesn’t make up for the gun.
The leo 2k is a highly mobile MBT at 10.0, and it has DM23.
Leo 2k is great, occasional trolly turret, amazing 20mm and superb mobility. Skill issue i guess
The Leopard 2K is one of the best MBTs for its BR.
This is literally all true, the 2k is a great tank
Has a surprisingly trolly armour profile too, you should go through the turret and sometimes it just eats the shot. They are a menace
The leopard 2k is an absolute fiend mate.
Still use at 12.0
