The real reason they dont wanna move it up is the Vidar. Dont get me wrong i love the Vidar on my 10.3-13.0 lineup, its not great since most of the advantages are gone at this BR. Regardless id like to see the Vidar moved to 8.7, higher and it realistically doesnt have anything going for it. As again almost everyone has stabilizers (not you france), LRF, and some with thermals. Then at 8.0 the PzH 2000 could be pretty nice with its changes especially as it bolsters the 8.0 lineup, sadly we lose a pretty cool 7.7 but thats my take anyways.
Some people get way too hooked on 1 tank being modeled poorly and think they are the only ones with the problem.
Germany actually has the largest ground tree in the game now after this update, Dethroning Russia who previously was the largest.
More shit doesnt mean germany is good. It just means theres more shit.
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Yeah but the German ground tree is great, and it’s one of the best.
However like the air tree, it could be better at certain BRs.
Id beg to differ. Up to about 7.7 its great. After that it lacks a lot of the punch other nations have. The 2a5 onward doesnt make every other tank in the high tiers great.
Germany has 1 good tech tree IFV currently with the insane treatment of the pumas and the forever mediocre marders. And that ifv STILL isnt accurate.
The total amount of vehicles means diddly squat in my opinion. Who cares if germany now has the most tanks because of premiums and SPAAs that are outclassed by CAS at any given br.
What matters is how many of what type each nation has and whether or not those vehicles are comparable to other nations.
Germany isnt the worst nation in game, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt be broiling gaijin for their clear bias against germany. Like the tiger ost being added to shut us up after backstabbing us by giving italy the best tiger. That premium isnt a positive thing to be praised.
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This is why German mains get a bad reputation.
That is almost every single SPAA in the entire game.
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I have been critical of German mains in the past…But you are another level.
Germany as it stands is one SAM away from being hands down the best nation in the game,
Leopard 2A7
PUMA (yes it’s not as good as it could be, but in game it’s one of the best high tier IFVs)
Tiger (PARS dont always kill tanks but they kill SAMS and do not require the hand holding of Hellfires)
Eurofighter (the best jet in the game by a good margin)
Flakrad the reload and 2 missiles kills it in top tier but a good player can still use it well. Strella and OSA also pretty playable at higher BRs.
I’m sorry friend Germany are the best nation in the game right now.
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And again you are still so wrong.
That place still is sweden.
Only cause we got the eurofighter now doesnt mean the advantage of 3 strv122s, better lights, better spaa just dissapears.
And the gripen still is very competitive with having real fnf armament as well.
seriously you are just mainly a german hater and that shows, so much that you throw claims into the room without even realy thinking about it.
Germany is in a good place in Grb now, propably solid place 2. Still lacks in a lot of areas
They are not useable at all agaibst space climbers or atgm launchers what u mean
They are only effective against guys that come to close
Besides that you not even reading his comment clearly. A nation can still be threatet badly even if its “meta” right now.
His main complained was about italy getting a better tiger that is valid and did happen.
He even said that germany isnt the worst nation etc. You are clearly once again misinterpreting stuff into it.
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Sweden have fewer high tier Leopards.
Sweden have arguably a better light tank but pretty equal IFVs VILKAS, PUMA, BOXER etc.
Sweden has a better SAM, I disagree Strela is still capable after the initial attacks as is the OSA (has a similar range to the ADATS)
Germany has the Tornado and Typhoon now capable of high tier CAS Tornado is a great backup to the Typhoon when the SAM threat has been dealt with or just mark the map and drop the JDAMS in GPS mode and farm the sams sitting in the spawn
Gripen is great but it has to sacrifice its A2A load out for CAS. 4 AGM 65s but only 2 Aim9Ms
Typhoon can go full A2A with 4 120s and Aim9s and have Brimstones/LGBS
Excluding the ITO and the small improvements to the STRV 122 over the 2A7 I dont see Sweden as being superior to Germany.
Are you actually trying to say its better to have one singular uparmored Leopard, the 2A7V and the rest basically glasscannons with the 2PSO, 2A5 and 2A6 than it is to have 3 Strv 122s and one Leopard 2A6?
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Glass cannons is a stretch, the Leopard2A5 and 6 are fine, worse but fine.
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Ok, glass cannons compared to the 2A7V, which can actually stop something with its hull front. Most things just go straight through. And still doesnt change that Sweden still has 3 uparmored, spall liner equipped Leopards compared to the singular one that germans is getting
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I am not saying that german top tier ground is bad, far from it, especially with the EFT for both CAS and CAP but it still is not as good as Sweden
Welcome to literally every MBT outside of the big three (Germany, Russia, US)
Of course (looking at you Merkava Mk4)
Are you forgetting that sweden has 2a6 as well?
Or you realy want to count the premium /squadron stuff into it as well which more often then not require payments?
Equal ifvs doesnr matter ,they have the better light thats a fact. Light tanks and ifvs take on the same role in war thunder in scouting and reducing air spawn costs.
Which sweden does have a second gripen for as well. Or you wanna argue that the grioen is worse then tornados now?
I didnt argue that the typhoon is worse then the gripen.
I said that the gripen still is a competent cas. Learn to understand.
Besides that with all the ifvs ,spaas etc that you are counting. How freaking big do you even wanna make your line up?
Stay in a realistic line up. Which were sweden overall stays stronger in mbts, lights, spaas.
German has the advantage in planes now and in a heli which is map dependend.
Still atbthe end of the day u cant clearly call germany place 1 which you ohhhh so confiniently did out of your jias and german hate
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Lmao yea, its sad
Is this some meme I am too inexperienced with the forums on?
You’ll get it once you have more encounters with Luque13’s erroneous ‘takes’.
No, thats just you who thinks that.
We never did those claims.
We never pretended to be a bad nation.
Its just your constant illusion cause we complain about sweden constantly and your biased brain hallucinates the rest
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