Not true, i was against the JA37Di being added as a premium exclusive imo, i didn’t want the JA37 with ARH to begin with but i knew what it would be like. Same goes for the KWS, players did want it and they wither knew it would be bad or didn’t care. So saying they reap what they sow is dumb. Its a vehicle players shouldve expected and its more so a problem of how gaijin added them with these awful BR’s.
It will be Tranche 1, which, of course, will be “missing” equipment.
Maybe? 3rd? Id say 4th or 5th. No cannon and only 2 missiles ready is a major detriment. Also not being able to track multiple objects, ie GBU coming in and plane flying.
Do you have it and play it on a daily basis?
Yes it is under BR’d. There is no survivability between either vehicle. If i get hit on the MUSS, it blows my tracks, nothing survivalable about that.
n=1. The Swedish player community as a whole wanted it, one of the reasons it was added.
If you file reports over and over saying the plane is “missing” weapons of course they’re going to add it. But when they do add it, you can’t complain now that it’s worthless, because you(they) asked for it. I agree with the BRs as well, they definitely need a change.
I cannot say I saw a single post regarding people wanting this to be added. Link to the Devblog for it, look at the comments. They added this because “there was nothing else to add” which has been the most common excuse for adding something that didn’t need to be added.
Is that not being overly aggressive and why german players get into so many fights with other nations by just ignoring others? As i stated not everyone wanted it it would take no effort to even check rather than be blinded by your own opinion. Same goes for the KWS some players wanted it and other didn’t. Devblogs are fair and yes when people finally saw what it had they were disappointed. Same could be said about a lot of vehicles.
Also if you only go buy the forum voice then you arent seeing the main focus or opinion of players. As much as i meme on the subreddit players some of them wanted it and others didnt that goes for both the Di and the KWS.
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I am not ignoring it. Swedish players filed report after report saying the JA37Di was “missing” amraams. Over and over. Until they finally added it.
Again, i have not ever seen someone asking for this. Maybe years ago when it was initially suggested, but that was at the time where it could’ve been played. It was DOA and everyone, even non German players knew.
uht is highly situational onyl useable on open clear maps, no laser atgm alternative for more hidden maps
no chin cannon or real ability for missle runs etc
the only useable top tier cas with fnf is the f4f ice, which gets 2 mavericks without tgp, that is not good
its one of the worst cas carriers the su22m4 is not top tier matieral and will easily be taken out
mbts are good yes
pantsir
ito 90m sweden
ito 90m france
tor m1 china
all better the flarakrad is the best of the worst, even adats arguably can be considered better because of more ready to fire, versatility etc, only 2 missles at once highly limits it as well as the gen 1 thermals
i am more and more unsure if you even speak of top tier, those 2 jets stand no chance against any decent pantsir or 2s38 player
see above
ground launched fnf sucks ass
we enver argued that
when did we say that?, u seem like to want to say we are all playing into the germany suffers meme, this is not true, we never said germany is bad, it is one of the meta nations right now. but italy, sweden and russia all 3 can highly exceed over germany since they have such possibilities available
for usa its highly skill based. skilled usa players get their aircraft and those can decimate whole teams
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Ill agree. The forum is not indicative of the entire playerbase.
BUT.
The forum is where changes to the game happen. This is where information is passed to devs and where the “true” players of the game come to discuss it. This is the main voice of the playerbase, imo.
uhm buddy i think i should ask you that question.
USA
- ground 11.7 (M1A2 is a 12.0 realistically)
- Air- 13.0
Germany
- Ground 12.0 (leopard 2a5 and Leopard 2PL, hawker hunter as cas)
- Air 11.0 mig21 lazur (tt im grinding the same so 11.0)
USSR
- ground 11.7 (T72B3, T80U, working on the spaa)
- Air, Su25BM + Yak38 (tt working on the Mig23 MLD)
Britain
- Ground 12.0 (every ground vehicle bar the new additions and SPAA line till 8.3)
-Air 13.7 (again every vehicle bar new additions and working on bomber line.)
Japan
- ground 11.3 with the type 90s and TKX (p)
- Air 13.0 with the F16AJ
China
- Ground 11.0 (mbt 2000 working on ZTZ 99II)
- Air - 11.3 with J8B
Italy
- ground 9.7 (with the VRCC and OF40MTCA)
- Air 8,7 G91
France
- ground - 9.7 (grinding vextra and now leo2a4NL due to late addition stopping me for leclerc)
- Air - 12.3 mirage 2000
Sweden
- ground 10.3 (CV90105 Leopard 1a5NO)
- air 9.3 (A32A)
Isreal-
Ground 9.3 (merkavas megachs)
Air 9.3
so yes i think after nearly 3000 hours im fairly certain i can say what germany is lacking or not.
No swedish players filed reports for the D model. Which it was in fact missing ARH, I and others were against the D getting ARH or an ARH model being added as much as i am not friends bor do i care for @AlvisWisla he can probably tell you the same, two sides were in the argument of the ARH on a viggen. I didn’t care for it but here it is, now the problem that i know anyone would have is gaijin only adding a prem version. I doubt players would be fine if the KWS was added only as a premium and no TT version was available. Even if it was bad you missing out on a vehicle like that will cause fights.
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People for years. literally for years where crying for the F4F KWS
So you do not have the 2A7, or the FlaRakRad…
Are you using the Hawker hunter as CAS with your 2A5 and 2PL…?
We also have my opinion from October which you were there for.
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Correct.
See this:
Since the additions of 4th gen airframes, NO ONE WANTED THE ICE.
As we see now, it is DOA and unusable now. Tehy had to move it down .3 BR to ENTICE people to play it.
Too bad there isn’t a poll on that. Would like to see the percentage of votes.
yes i am and
it works fine
hence the 68 ground kills and over 100 air kills and only 105 deaths
“The only reason I ask is that you seem to not understand anything about the German tree, let alone their top tier air.”
you said this.
I literally listed my entire warthunder BRs for every single nation.
Lets see you do the same son and see where you sit to say germany suffers.
Oh right you literally cant as youve got next to no experience in any other nation at all. bar a few prems here n there.
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no they still wanted the damn ice they didnt suddenly not want it.
same as teh tornado F3 late is DOA and msot of the british equipment was and is xD or the italian stuff until very very recently. stop while youre ahead bud
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I see your frustration. Maybe there’s a fix to this? Gaijin limits what you can vote on based off vehicles you have? In order to get the most accurate data, get the info from people actually playing it.
I have a sneaking suspicion other nation are sabotaging votes/implementations. But who knows how much leverage this forum has, I hope it has a decent amount but…
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ive more experience at top tier than you and @Kmdo_Peach put together ive also got more of the top tiers in different nations than you both. so yes i know about top tier. i know how to avoid a pantsir, which if you can do ti in a damn A10A you can do it in a hunter that is faster and better at dodging missiles.
True, again if we only vuew the forum we wouldn’t get an accurate count of votes anyways. On the subreddit for older posts for the KWS or the Di you’ll see people both for and against it, the majority you can see actually change to against it after the KWS came out as people realized how bad the compression was. Again it would be crazy to think there wasn’t any against a vehicles introduction.
Long post with a opinion tied to it so pls no witch hunting i get that enough as is in DM’s from the 4 of you (you know who)
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People lost their minds when the 122B+ was added. I was against it. I play sweden, i play germany. I play almost every nation aside from China and Isreal. I have no interest in more MBT’s for sweden when their lower BR’s could use actual spaa or more vehicles. I dont just play top tier i play at all BR’s because i enjoy a lot of history. So seeing nations get yet another top tier addition that isnt needed when there are more important things Vex’s me. Sweden didnt need Finnish Leos, they need Patrias and unique finnish modifications to soviet vehicles, we got 1 unique tank the BT42. Completely skipping anything truly unique. Same goes for the 122, sweden didn’t need another 122 when gaijin is still adding unarmored leos to germany, the PSO shouldve gotten its fron plate armor. And when other nations have similar MBT lineups to Ger/Swe/Ru then id like to see other Leos pop up.
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