the big thing for switzerland in the german tree would be supporting germanys dying air tree, which is pretty dead after ww2 already even
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I mean that’s just not true. I see German tourists communicate fine with swiss German speakers as deep as Bern which has one of the strongest dialects in the entire nation.
Swiss co-development with a large amount of German military equipment, Swiss Rheinmetall specifically have been a big role in Munition development for decades, numerous amounts of German tech (and concepts) in the swiss military during WW2 and cold war. The biggest reason is that France just got BeNeLux so there is no reason for Switzerland to go to France and there is no other nation that could realistically get Switzerland.
Panzer 87 140, Panzer 87 WE (proto and in service), Panzer 68 (and its variants), Mowang piranha and a lot of other domestic tanks & upgraded versions of foreign imports.
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I have different experience, even the germans working in my company don’t understand anything.
We used even more equipment from the US and UK, so what.
Used equipment ≠ Developing and using equipment. In recent times Switzerland has had much closer military ties with Germany and German developments than most other places. Think of RCH 155 tiral or DM53 development / production or Rheinmetall in Zurich.
(wouldn’t count America with F35 as we don’t have any domestic military aviation sector and forced to import…)
Sure we used more UK equipment in the past (centurions, vampires etc) and are currently using more American planes (F5, F35 and F18C) and lets not forget the large amount of French equipment (amx-13, mirage III etc), but none of those nations need Switzerland as a subtree, what gaps are we gonna fill for them?
France:
Already has a competitive air tree and top tier Switzerland wouldn’t help with the non-existent 10.0 line-up. (BeNeLux rumoured)
UK:
Competitive 10.3 ground line-up and a consistent air tree with few gaps of which can be filled with other nations. (already have SA)
Germany:
Has current gaps and future ones regarding ARH, especially air and the lack of any capable ARH carrying plane or the lack of MBTs in the 10.3 bracket.
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If France is getting all of the Benelux, I don’t see any valid argument for Germany not getting Switzerland in addition to Argentina…
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clearly OP xDD
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Better nerf it to 5mm, just to be sure xD
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why yes comrade, leopard tank needs a hole! How else will the crew breathe?? ))))
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Gotta make sure the PUMAs 5.56mm can pen it
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As a German, a comment on the German language: Dialects in Germany are sometimes so extremely varied that individual words in two villages that are 3km apart sound so different that they cannot be understood. However, the dialect is increasingly disappearing from everyday use and has never existed in written German. The same applies to Austria, Switzerland or former East Prussian areas where German is still written and spoken. Language is hardly a distinguishing feature between Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
And on the topic: I think it is a mistake to completely attribute smaller nations to a large nation. Germany is special with the DDR and BRD and I can understand that the tech tree includes Soviet and NATO military technology. Otherwise, “foreign” technology should be limited to export variants.
Maybe they should remove Germany out of the game. The rate how German tanks are distributed among other nations is out of hand. Soon France will drive around with Leopards as well…
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The Soviet technology tree is constantly adding new powerful vehicles, and I often play with Germany and France. Every time I update, I can only get disappointed. Sweden even obtained new German heavy tanks in this version. To be honest, I think this is even a bit funny
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No, just lost German consultant and ask for Sweden lover Dmitry. What we get at last, we see now
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The way Germany is treated is rediculus anyways. Ger strenghtening defense joint ventures with Finland: Sweden gets it. Joint ventures with Hungary: Italy gets everything. Defense joint ventures with Switzerland: France gets it. Defense joint ventures + shared equipement + troop integration with Denmark: Likely Sweden will get it. Joint ventures and troop integration as well as leased vehicles with the Netherlands: France will get it.
Truly…thats meh. How can a tech tree getting watered down like this? And why all of Ger’s historic allies (Hungary, Finland), as well as recent defense partners end up being added to different countries?
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Idk maybe because germany doesnt need these vehicles unlike other nations do. To be complaining about Italy or france getting vehicles is just beyond brainrot. Germany has / will get enough good vehicles as is.
i dont mind france and italy getting vehicles i want japan to get some vehicles too but it would be cool germany got some swiss vehicles like the MOWAG piranha
I mean Switzerland is already part of the german tec tree. Like for example the Hunter F58. Also germany will very likely receive a ton of foreign vehicles with german influence. Say like the Class 3P (South African) and C2A1 Mexas (Canadian)
yeah that’s why i say it would be nice to see some of the vehicles like the MOWAG piranha some versions of it on service with switzerland army