The annoying thing about the whole “need gear ratio” argument they use is that they know the 2A4’s acceleration, and they know the change in mass between the 2 tanks. They should be able to roughly determine the gear ratio mathematically, they just choose not to…
cuz they are lazy as heck
They story off almost anything top tier sadly
Yea, sadly…
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Maybe you didn’t understand. It doesn’t matter if it was installed later because Gaijin is nerfing a tank, based on a propaganda brochure from 1975 when the vehicle was still an early concept. Following that criterion, the helicopter detection sensor should also be on the vehicle. The same brochure says that the tank could go 78km/h and weighed 28.5 tons, but they DO NOT give us that.
Source management is BS.
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Hmmm? Its mass is going to 28.5 tons, and its top speed is currently up’d to 75 fwd & rvs.
and it wouldnt make sense that the topspeed of the begleit magically fits the one of the TAM its obvious it uses the hull of the TAM and the newest engine and transmission for the TAM wich means the 720 HP should be correct
Yes. It is obvious that begleit uses the MTU MB833 Ka500 engine. Sugar already showed updated sources of this and I am completely sure that there was no TAM stage 1 prototype with a marder engine, as Bowie mentions.
there isnt TAM stage 1 prototype cuz it was discarded due to the need of a stronger hull with a stronger engine and transmission to carry the vehicle and be able to handle the heavier traindrive and a 105 mm
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I’m not sure if I understood. Currently Begleit has 30tn in the game.
They are nerfing his engine according to a source from 1975. That same source also says that his weight is 28.5tn and his maximum speed is 78km. However, its mass is still 30tn and its maximum speed is 70km/h.
Furthermore, sugar already presented updated evidence about Begleit and they completely ignored it.
You don’t have to be Einstein to realize that they want to nerf the vehicle (the sources, as they use them, are just a screen to legitimize their actions).
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okay so we lose 120 hp but still retain the 1.5tn extra weight ?
this sounds like gaijin xD
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Sounds kinda like Leopard 2A7V transmission change 2: Electric Boogaloo
Gaijin: “We nerfed this feature because this document states it was lowered to increase another feature”
Us: “Oh, so you’re gonna buff another feature to account for it and make it accurate to irl? Thats ok :)”
Gaijin:
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yeah its ridiculous even in the same source it states that the 600HP was meant for the first stage prototype build on the hull of a Marder ifv but the strain was gonna be too much so they opted for a new design with a new traindrive that could withstand a 105, after the design was done the increase in weight made it use the new 720 HP engine wich had a top speed of 78 km/H this design was used for the Begleit cuz the Marder hull couldnt withstand a 57 mm autocannon, there wasnt such thing as a stage 1 TAM cuz it never existed the proto was to be build on a marder hull but due to limitations it was build in the latest stage of the TAM wich had the 720 hp engine
We should get the extra 3 crew members too we should get the same treatment of the BTR-ZD
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the extra ones are the bow gunners and the comander… not infantry.
According to gaijin’s secret dokuments, I should make a suggestion for a “stage 1” TAM without a stabilizer, with a marder motor and apds that could be in 8.0/8.3.
And another suggestion for TAM “stage 4” with 830hp leopard 1 engine and 120mm cannon, with armor that resists 40mm cannons probably at 9.7.
(of course, I’m being ironic but hey… so says the snail source).
yes, put three Heer panzergrenadiers back there, sitting on top of the TOWs lol.
Surely they already got a replacement for the old Begleit in 9.3 and will lower it to 9.0 where there is no line-up. That’s how it works.
I bug reported the mass to them already.
Community Bug Reporting System
After talking to David Bowie a bit more i was also told that Janes is not considered a valid secondary source by the devs (kinda BS but ok) …but IDR is because it was published by a different company than Jane’s, Interavia SA.
Furthermore I was told that the transmission being used on the Begleitpanzer 57 the HSWL-194 planetary with 4 speeds both forwards and reverse would not be compatible with the 720hp engine used on the production TAM/VCTP, because they use the HSWL 204. I cant recall ever reading anywhere that that the HSWL-194 transmission has compatibility issues with the MB 833 Ka-500 engine used on the TAM/VCTP.
Not much I can argue there without further sources that may provide proof that the MB833 Ka-500 engine/MTU is compatible with the HSWL-194 transmission and it would explain why some of the secondary sources show varying hp output of 710 instead of 720 .
Which is funny, because they themselves use it when it suits them…
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To be fair it being 9.3 would be fine, the problem is the devs coincidentally forgot to move the vehicles sitting at 10.0-10.3 up .3 of a BR. It absolutely retarded that we now have leopard 1s,xm1 and amx30s facing late cold war tanks like the Abrams,t-80 and 2a4s. 90% of 9.3 games from my exp are uptiers into 10.3, its terrible .
I pretty much stopped playing my favorite BR range because of their stupid unbalanced change, how convenient they also introduced 10.3 premiums that totally had nothing to do with them forgetting to raise the the 10.3 vehicles .3 of a BR . God forbid we have decompression that makes logical sense .
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