Germany made these tanks they obviously can and will up-armour them if they have to deploy them to a warzone. It is self-explanatory and simple logic aside from all the proof that they can and will do so. Just give the PSO the UFP upgrade and stop diminishing the German TT for no reason…
Instead of treating the PSO like a war tank, with extra capabilities for urban combat, they are treating it as if it were a Caterpillar with combat capabilities.
No one in their right mind would say that in a combat vehicle, between the dozer and the armor, the dozer is the priority. The dozer is an eventuality, a capability, as long as it is not necessary, it remains a war tank. It’s ridiculous.
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Why are you still playing if you feel oppressed and humiliated ?
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F-4F ICE with 9Ms/9Lis & AMRAAMs for 12.7 - 13.0, Mig-29G with R-73s for 12.3.
Eurofighter soon enough.
No need for F-16s.
@richthofen122
Why are you talking about other companies here?
This is a War Thunder thread, European Union company, not Russian.
Germany’s treated rather decently.
Germany needs new SPAA capable of engaging the CAS threats.
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It’s their game, nothing will change unless they seem it’s fit. Yelling for changes on their forum won’t make a single difference, believe me.
If this was that big of a deal, another review-bombing would’ve happened years ago.
Our victory is inevitable.
Same as is cringe from your comments.
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The review bombing occurred AFTER the direct line of communication with Gaijin’s developers was opened and the econ update reverted.
Econ was reverted early morning May 18th for me, slight afternoon of May 18th for the developers.
In the afternoon of May 19th for me, evening for the developers, around over 30 hours after the reverted update, a new publication commenting on the review bombings that started after the reverted update with their news post.
People are quick to forget this due to the countless videos painting a different narrative.
The uproar on the old forum caused the direct line of communication to open more than anything else.
Ten-thousands of posts ever more upset as it grew closer to econ update, and then ten-thousands more until reverted & direct line was opened.
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In my opinion ATGMs are way inferior to darts and this is why I think they should drop down in BR even further.
Puma w/all the reported fixes and ATGMs would be quite alright at 10.0 tbh. Sabot mass would go up to 160g (making it spall better), armour protection would increase to a point where even 2S38 would have to think twice before spraying and praying, making it a very good cannon only IFV.
Then Puma S1 would ‘fix’ the lack of heavy firepower via adding Spike-LR (4 of them in total), if given direct fire capability (basically gunner guidence like all other IFVs) it would have very little problem dealing with MBTs.
Of course, both things are still far off from being added/done, using Begleit as an example, prolly another ~3 years until all the fixes are implemented and about ~2 years before we get the Spikes.
I can see Lynx sitting at a higher BR due to its APS which catches any and all ATGMs fired at it, regardless of the platform and the lack of spalling (the fuel tanks on it eat, at least from my experience, >90% of spall).
However as it stands now, I do agree with your BR changes for IFVs.
well due to a lot of calculations of armor only something above 57 mm apfsds can penetrate the frontal plate
Yes, i’m aware. I was the one who did those calculations.
If you go to the old forum now and look for the post again, you will find yourself seeing my name there.
and i found you, nice job with doing the maths for the thickness, but this confirms that the PUMA front plate should be similar to that of the merkava in terms of design and general idea
Like the neighbor French TT, the German TT faced big problems, very bad, for three years, only MIG29 barely held up the sky, and the ground forces were really bad!
We only got the extremely junk Leo2 PSO today, general maneuverability, poor hull protection, no D armor, and no high-resolution thermal imaging picture, such Leo is not even qualified for a spare tire in front of the Swedish TT
Now the German TT does not have top-tier light tanks, no MGS, no new PUMA, no Boxer, nothing. Boxer is a vehicle that should be added, it can be converted into a variant of SPAA MGS, but so far there has been no movement, the once big TT has become the current clown, which is simply intolerable!
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Puma is already pretty tanky, it can soak up so many shells it’s actually crazy. It also ate BMP-2M’s missile from the sides and barely got a scratch.
With all those changes it should probably be at the same BR as 2M.
Most IFVs have been drastically powercrept.
As I said above, most IFVs should see stuff like 2A4/Abrams at most, anything higher is pretty ridiculous.
I don’t see a problem about Germany not getting the KF41, they manufacture it yes, but they don’t use it… so i’m fine with that. Because of that the TAM and TAM 2C respectively should’t be in the German TT as well. Same goes for the SK-105/JaPz K. and this whole debacle reminds me of the introduction of that very vehicle.
The outcry lead Gaijin to introduce the same vehicle in both the German and the Frensh TT. So even though I don’t agree with this - but this is the reason why Gaijin has no excuse to withold the Lynx from Germany.
That said this whole topic about vehicles added to trees they don’t belong is not limited to Germany. There are many vehicles in the game that should be in different TTs or not there even at all (like this abomination of the last battlepass).
The Mi-28A and T-80U in the Swedish TT should be scratched without replacement. The Aussie M1A1 AIM shouldn be in the British TT. These are just vehicles from the top of my head and there are many more, so the thread shouldn’t be about the state of Germany, rather about the state of any TT as a whole.
With the introduction of Israel where they moved the Peten from the US to the Israeli TT (but still kept it in the US for those who bought it already) they could easily justify to wipe every TT and rebuild it from the ground up, but with common sense and rules that apply for every nation (so no “this vehicle comes to both nations, but this vehicle just in one because “reasons” and this vehicle comes to this TT, even though it should be there, but here it would fletch out this TT”-nonesense). Maybe introduce common TTs like a “European” one to put subtrees like the Finns and Hungarians in.
Well ofc Germany uses it, its beeing built at Rheinmetall plants in Germany. Its trialed there over years, there are probably quite a few KF-41 driving around in Germany on test ranges and on factory yards. There are probably more Lynx’ driving around in Germany than in Hungary and especially far more than in Italy.
(How can you manufacture something without using it ?)
The hungarian Rheinmetall plant for another Lynx production line just opend this mounth I think. Everything currently existing in terms of the Lynx is coming from Germany. The War Thunder Tech Trees are not the tech tree of the armed forces, its the tech tree of the whole nation. How don’t you see that? Have the US Army ever adopted the ADATS? Or the AIM? The Sgt York? Or the british one the Challenger 2E? Black Knight? 2S38? French VT-1 vehicles? Radkampfwagen? Bismarck tank prototype? Canadian Leopard 1? The PSO Leopard2? There are so incedibly many vehicles in WT, which never have been adopted by the armed forces but got added after their tech origin, that I ask myself how ppl can seriously make these kind of posts.
Last but not least: Italy hasn’t adopted it either. Italy doesn’T contribute to its production. So why is fine that it suddenly appears in the italian TT? Just cause someone says all this hungarian stuff goes to Italy? Despite there are no special ties between these two countries?
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