Let's fairly talking about why Pantisr-S1 should higher then any other SPAA

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Let’s see:

Compared to the FlaRakRad the Pantsir S1 has:

  • guns that can engage nearby targets and disable or even destroy tanks
  • 50% more range on the SAM
  • 12 ready-to-fire missiles, whereas the FlaRakRad has a maximum of two, which can only be reloaded once the second missile has passed out of the guidance range or hit an obstacle
  • the ability to fire on the move
  • superior radar

How does that justify these two systems to be at the same BR, or even just one step apart, as you suggested?

The Pantsir should easily be 1.0 above the FlaRakRad.

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Imagine thinking FlaRakRad should be 10.7.
11.3 sure, not 10.7.

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I am not saying the FlaRakRad should be that low, I am saying the Pantsir should be separated from it by 1.0+, because it is vastly superior.

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Then Tornado IDS ASSTA needs to go up by 0.7 BR minimum for ground battles as well.
Cause the reason Pantsir is 11.7 is because the CAS that kills it are 11.3+.

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A lot of things should be moved up. Gaijin is far too reluctant with top tier decompression.

Why should the Leopard 2A5, A6, PSO and A7V all be at the exact same BR?

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I think the best thing would be to increase its br by 0.3, lower the others by 0.4, then add new top tier spaa for other nations

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haha, everyone knows why.
and Gaijin has no intention of making any adjustments.
they know about this issue, but intentionally ignore it.

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Tornado ASSTA1 must be so good that you only use it for 40 battles don’t you think?

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I spammed out aircraft of all tech trees to see if a Pantsir would frag me.
I however stopped maining CAS the moment I started attempting the 20km Achievement as it’s an inefficient use of spawn points when I could just spawn an interceptor, bait all the Pantsir missiles for my friendly CAS while taking out enemy CAS. A far superior strategy.
I do it in EJ Kai, F-16, etc. At least half of my F-16ADF matches are from ground battles.

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nobody asks

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But look at all his experience.

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182 hours in one image out of the over 4000 in-battle hours I have.

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There is some at least, though neither with any integrated search radar.

  • Type 81 (C) with the currently missing ARH missile variant (14km, 35G PESA ARH)
  • Type 11 (15km, 35G AESA ARH)
  • ASEAN options for Israeli SPYDER, obviously adding surface launched Python 5 and Derby
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For the 20km achievement you can also launch an AGM at ~15km and just do a 180° turn. You only need to be 20km from the target at the moment of its death.

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Are there no improvements from the Type 81(C) to the Type 11’s missiles? I think the seeker for the Type 11 was AAM-4 or AAM-4B based.

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There are improvements, the Type 81 (C) ARH has an effective range of 14km, the Type 11 has 15km+, with the exact number unknown.
The Type 11 also uses AESA over the Type 81 (C) ARH PESA seeker.

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For the US:

Domestic SPAA -

  • MSL - 16km AIM-9X’s
  • 2017 Linebacker - 16km AIM-9X
  • SLAMRAAM - 15km AIM-120B/C + 16km AIM-9X
  • SLAMRAAM-ER - 25km AIM-120B/C with booster + 16km AIM-9X
  • LAVRAAM - 25km AIM-120B/C with booster

Subtree SPAA -

  • ACSV G5 NASAMS - 25km IRIS-T + 16km AIM-9X
  • NASAMS HML - 15km AIM-120B/C
  • (Captured) Pantsir S1E - 18km 57E6-E
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*All top tier SPAA (including pantsir) should have a range of up to 6 km. Not more.

*All top tier SPAA tasks should be to shoot down air-to-ground missiles, and get silver and xp for that.

*The task of hunting CAS should be CAP. Now it’s especially easy with FOX3 rockets. No player who explodes 3 times in a row and does nothing useful for the team, should not have the opportunity to take SPAA for less than 100sp, and one click to kill the player who used 900 points for the plane.

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It’s funny to me that the Type 81 is considered to be on par with the Pantsir by Gaijin, to have an SPAA without a radar and limited range, no offensive abilities supposedly as a counterpart to the Pantsir.

Yet somehow it’s not even remotely the most delusional view Gaijin has.

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Why does the Pantsir need to move up? The only person who could advocate for that is a sweaty C*S main who wants to have impunity over the ground and ruin the game for everyone else.

Other nations should receive SAM systems that are equal to the Pantsir instead of nerfing the one actually decent SPAA.

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