so just like the usual, the only options are to grind for power crept stuff or be left coping.
sad british adats noises
It changes nothing because I was doing those tactics when Pantsir wasn’t in the game.
Still haven’t died to a Pantsir while running a CAS run despite hundreds of battles.
sure you did. Its totally believable that the pantsir is a useless spaa and you’ve never died to it before
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it’s been a year, how long you gonna want wait?
SLAMRAAM/NASAMS HML are both more modern but definitely fill that gap at top tier.
Additionally we could fill out some of the NATO AD shortcomings by populating missing vehicles and fixing the missile performance/modeling
Tracked Rapier, M6 Linebacker, M-SHORAD, Poprad, CAMM, Avenger/Starstreak Avenger/Guardian
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Im now sure how consistent SLAMRAAM/NASAMS would be at.
Excluding SL-AMRAAM ER, SLAMRAAMs don’t use a added booster motor to help them, meaning they will waste alot of energy getting up to speed and coupled with the fact that the M1097/HML that carries them don’t have their own radar (That I know of), the missile would need to be pitbulled to even track anything.
Im not against them being added, just given my current view on this matter I don’t personally foresee SLAMRAAMS having amazing performance.
M6/Poprad/Avenger isn’t going to effect top tier outside of more MANPAD trucks that people would spawn in, which doesn’t fix the problem.
Tracked Rapier/XMIM-46…is iffy. If would sit either at 10.3 or 10.7 given their range is 8km. Rapier should have no radar lock. Rapier would depend on which missile variant Gaijin would want to model.
As much as I would love to see the modern SL super maneuverable missiles be added as the next step for SPAA additions, thats unfortunately isn’t going to happen…for a long time.
Literally every country aside from Russia/China?/Japan? (China and Japan would depend) would have nearly undodgeable 40G+ missiles.
- USA - AIM-9X (15 km)
- Israel - Python 5 (20 km)
- Germany - IRIS-T AAM / SLS (25 km / 12 km)
- UK - CAMM (25 km)
- Italy - CAMM (25 km)
- France - AIM-9X / IRIS-T AAM (15 km / 25 km)
- Sweden - IRIS-T AAM / SLS / RBS 23 / AIM-9X (25 km / 12 km / 20 km / 15 km)
I cringe inside every time I see this line of text. On a doctrine basis, yes Soviets invested more in SHORAD systems.
Depends on how modern you want to go.
USA -
M1097/HML: SL-AMRAAM ER (40 km @ 40G - ARH)
Germany -
IRIS-T: AAM/SLS/SLM (25 km/12 km/40 km @ 60G - IR)
Skyguard-M: HFK L2/HV (16 km/16-50 km @ 50-100G - SACLOS/IR)
USSR -
Pantsir-S1M: 57E6M-E (30 km @ 32G+ - SACLOS)
UK -
EMADS: CAMM/CAMM-ER (25 km/45 km @ 50G - ARH)
G6-HVM: SAVH-3 (12-15km @ 40G - LOSBR)
Japan -
Shafted, LMAO.
China -
WZ-551D: PL-9C (22 km @ 40G - IR)
LD-2000: PL-9 (15 km @ 35G - IR)
China as alot of SPAA systems but any information on their missile performance doesn’t exists. I have only listed the system that I have such information on.
Italy -
EMADS: CAMM/CAMM-ER (25 km/45 km @ 50G - ARH)
B1 Draco: DART (10 km @ 40G - RF)
France -
ITO/R440: Crotale Mk.3 VT-1 (16 km @ 50G - SACLOS)
ACSV G5: IRIS-T AAM (25 km @ 60G - IR) / AIM-9X (15 km @ 60G - IR)
Sweden -
RBS-98: IRIS-T SLS (12 km @ 60G - IR)
BAMSE SRSAM: RBS-23 (20 km @ ?G - SACLOS)
ACSV G5: IRIS-T AAM (25 km @ 60G - IR) / AIM-9X (15 km @ 60G - IR)
Israel -
SPYDER-AIO: Python 5 (20 km @ ?G - LOAL IR) / I-Derby ER (50 km @ ?G - ARH)
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Rapier has IRT and HMS, Blindifre adds Radar lock.
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The air launched AMRAAM has a 100-150 km range. Even from a ground launch that would give NATO nations AD parity with the Pantasir at minimum. (It and the USMC CLAWS were expected to have roughly a 25km engagement envelope.) The last versions had amraams and AIM-9X’s
Given the status of current AD assets in WT, it would be by far the best performer.
But it didn’t have its own radar it was ground data linked. I’m simply offering systems that did/do exist that fill the gaps in AD coverage. Because ADATS is dogshit, and many nations have a very real hole in capability once you get past the Marksman/Gepard level vehicles.
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This is a simple modeling/coding fix.
At current, the missiles do not perform as well as they should. Nerf the flare rejection and drag profiles to make them more lethal and it will suddenly be way less safe to be in the skies.
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So far Gaijin have had ~three almost four months (and two Major updates in that time) since the following reports were acknowledged, so it may be adjusted at some point.
“Add Contrast lock on Range extension mechanic to POST Seeker equipt missiles”
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/LbD7XSmoaAJc
“Increase Maneuverability of the FIM-92 to 20-22G’s, or so”
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yUohrEMuQLna
“Lock-on range extended to ~6-7km for Stinger”
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/CrgLh51VkpQZ
To some degree this should also impact other Western MANPADS like the Mistral as well.
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Ive never seen alvis say something that isnt obviously looking for clout, just let him has his thoughts. Pantsir is the most effective SPAA in game, and you always see this guy in pantsir posts, saying he never died to them.
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Let’s see:
Compared to the FlaRakRad the Pantsir S1 has:
- guns that can engage nearby targets and disable or even destroy tanks
- 50% more range on the SAM
- 12 ready-to-fire missiles, whereas the FlaRakRad has a maximum of two, which can only be reloaded once the second missile has passed out of the guidance range or hit an obstacle
- the ability to fire on the move
- superior radar
How does that justify these two systems to be at the same BR, or even just one step apart, as you suggested?
The Pantsir should easily be 1.0 above the FlaRakRad.
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Imagine thinking FlaRakRad should be 10.7.
11.3 sure, not 10.7.
I am not saying the FlaRakRad should be that low, I am saying the Pantsir should be separated from it by 1.0+, because it is vastly superior.
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Then Tornado IDS ASSTA needs to go up by 0.7 BR minimum for ground battles as well.
Cause the reason Pantsir is 11.7 is because the CAS that kills it are 11.3+.
A lot of things should be moved up. Gaijin is far too reluctant with top tier decompression.
Why should the Leopard 2A5, A6, PSO and A7V all be at the exact same BR?
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I think the best thing would be to increase its br by 0.3, lower the others by 0.4, then add new top tier spaa for other nations
haha, everyone knows why.
and Gaijin has no intention of making any adjustments.
they know about this issue, but intentionally ignore it.
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Tornado ASSTA1 must be so good that you only use it for 40 battles don’t you think?
I spammed out aircraft of all tech trees to see if a Pantsir would frag me.
I however stopped maining CAS the moment I started attempting the 20km Achievement as it’s an inefficient use of spawn points when I could just spawn an interceptor, bait all the Pantsir missiles for my friendly CAS while taking out enemy CAS. A far superior strategy.
I do it in EJ Kai, F-16, etc. At least half of my F-16ADF matches are from ground battles.