Best I can do are these two tables:
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From what i read here the mk3.3 was fitted with a laser range finder and the mk5 is a further development of the mk3.3 so the laser range finder should be equipped
https://www.scribd.com/document/575607953/Janes-MBT-2ed
Apperantly they can have both
But if you want to make a bug report and need another source:
They apparently also provided the commander with the ability to shot the main armament with the same upgrade and removed the ranging gun.
Would be great of Gajin would consider this
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Could be worth adding to the bug report
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Anyone know about the spall liner for the chieftains? Has there been any reports on it or need any information.
we manly need information
It’s because a video mr hewes did on a chieftain left in the field had a spall liner in it I think. Don’t know if it is or not or if you could even use it but I could send you the link?
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We need more written sources, images and videos will only lead to gajins answer that it might be thermal or accustic layering.
Finally got everything in the mail. Gonna take me a day to go through it all. Can’t tell from this angle but it is quite thick.
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Mk.11 would give it Thermals. Gen 1 thermals, but Thermals nonetheless.
That said, I did find it okay once I got the dart at 9.0. Didn’t play it enough to give a fair sample though.
let us know if you find anything about spall liners
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Will do!!
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I’ve played with the majority of the 8.7 vehicles across all nations so i’ve got a good counter to your perspective.
Chieftan mk3 and 5 at 8.7 are underpowered imo. Not by a huge margin, but definately not a good fit.
Your armor is super situational. One side of your turret has good armor, the other is a joke. I have a clip of a gepard 30mm overpressuring the tank through the gunner optic. VIDARs are constantly doing so. Every tank at 7.7 or higher goes through your turret. Meanwhile the left side is very good and able to resist some ATGMs. However, the average player at this BR range usually knows to shoot the right turret. I’d consider it better armored than M60s but usually not enough to matter.
Meanwhile, you are slow. Not glacial, but every other armored tank at this BR range is beating you in almost every mobility stat.
Your gun is mediocre. Good reload and much better postpen than all the APDS before it, but still largely inferior to 105 APFSDS rounds. Pen is… functional, with most of your targets having poor armor. But it will randomly bounce off quite a large selection of vehicles. I even had a hard time with a T32 turret the other day as i had been playing russia and china and expected darts to be able to deal with full downteir targets easily.
So what keeps it at 8.7 and would make it OP at 8.3?
8.7 has the T55AM-1 is nearly strictly better with smaller weak points, faster, and a comparable shell (though it also has atgms)
8.7 has the M60A2 RISE. Comparable turret armor to the chieftan right turret, much faster, actually resistant to many atgms, and comparable dart (though god i hate that cupola).
8.3 has the T10M turret has slightly better armor to your right turret, is MUCH faster, has a 14.5 vs the plethora of IFVs, and has a 120mm APHE round thats about as lethal as they come. Though the cannon pays for the lethality in reload.
8.0 has nothing that has difficulty with the chieftan.
Imo, i’d like to see the Mk3 at 8.3 and the Mk5 get LRF to justify 8.7.
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Alright I sadly didn’t find anything about spall liners for the chieftain. There a bunch of references for insulation and the splash plate/fabric(Asbestos) that I already reported though.
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The mod index was super helpful for the laser range finder though. Will update the report later after I’ve put everything together.
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Some MK10s were upgraded to Mk11 but did not get the new box for the TOGS one of my books has a picture that shows the searchlight box modified on the inside by removing the light and installing the thermals. So that wouldn’t require a model change and would still be correct.
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Also where did you get those technical manuals? All i have for my Mk11 is a user handbook, i really need one that goes into the engine and gearbox.
You can get them here; Chieftain & Challenger Tank.
Not really interesting though the engine and its parts are for the most part correct in game. Only thing I found was the speed difference between some gear ratios. Not enough of a difference for me to report it though. Anything in particular your looking for? Maybe I can grab a picture.