It’s kinda annoying that the Olifant Mk 2 has thermals, and a better dart and armour compared to the Chieftain Mk 10. Should just give it the 840 engine and TOGS to get a Mk 11.
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What does that have to do with the chieftain or the fact that even russian tanks have bug reports for them? almost every single tank has issues in this game.
Don’t turn this thread into a thing about “russian bias”
Nah leopard 1 and the other variants, turn III and all those sorts of tanks have been a volumetric hell for ages , same as the tiger 1s and 2s
That just aint true man
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MK11 should be foldered with the mk10 tbh but it would be 9.7 regardless, it has L23A1 and thermals, and CR1 optics so it would be better than the 9.3s
Every thread shall become Russian bias.
It just detracts from getting actual issues resolved tbh
Yes seems that way, just had a look and yes that’s crazy 150 mm plate is there.
What I think I will change my statement too is the USSR vehicles seem to be the most consistent in getting proper volumetric armour.
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is it there, sure look at certain BR brackets with certain lineups (you know where I mean) but its more a context of premium bias then russian, cause theres a few trees with full amazing premium lineups tbh
Do I believe in it? sometimes. Then I realise when I use the russian tanks its also a ball scraper of a time xD the games coding is super spaghetti at this point man it could do with some serious evaluation, Also can I use that meme’
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Im at the stage where I think volumetric is such a damn fail that its best just to pan it, like I had a damn TurmIII earlier soak a heat round due to the way his turret armour lined up
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My opinion, it’s not the chieftains that need to go down. Other things need to go up. In no world should a centurion mk3 be in the same battle as something like the mk10.
As I see it, this area of the British ground tree is extremely compressed, at 7.3 we get the fv4202, at 7.7 we get the cent mk3, the carnarvon, and the conqueror. At 8.0 we get the cent mk10, and the vickers mk1. At 8.3 we get the vickers mk3, the olifant mk1a, and every single spaa at mid tier until 10.0. At 8.7, we get the chieftains, vickers mk11, and rooikat mk1d.
Hopefully you guys get my point. At every br step the capability of these tanks change immensely, and with how often uptiers happen you will often be competing against things that are better than you in every way. This is a tragedy, all it would take it to add more brs and to rebalance from there. But gayjin is too scared to do that.
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It is totally the opposite to what I think, in fact I even think that something in the T-54 and T-55 is wrong, because they last much longer than they should. I have not yet used the Chieftain, but when using previous tanks such as the Centurion Mk10 or the M60 and similar, the T-54-55 have been very annoying enemies, since with the APDS and HEAT-FS of the 105mm cannon there were many times when you could not disable the shooter by hitting him in the helmet, since the driver stopped all the damage from the bullet, or you hit the turret and it inexplicably bounced off. There have also been times when the tank became invulnerable, being able to resist 8 APDS penetrations, or even 11 330 penetration rockets while being completely sideways.
In fact right now in a game with my Magach 3 I shot an OT-55 in the front of the turret a little above the shooter’s sights and the HEAT-FS didn’t do any damage, then I shot at the other side of the turret but only killed the loader, then he killed me with a shot in the center of the tank.
TBH the Chieftains do well in an uptier, most british tanks do due to the APDS they use,
The APDS of both the M60 and mk10 centurion can fire clean through the front of a T55AM1 and AMD1
This just is false the tank cannot survive more than two well aimed shots. The T55’s are laughably weak tanks.
Stop using heat FS and learn to use APDS its a substantially better round than heat FS.
As well as this you need to learn to actively aim for their weak points, the fact you cannot penetrate an 8.0 OT-55 is telling , it has essentially the same hull as a T54 which for a megach 3 is paper mache.
The 105MM royal ordenance cannon is a monster of a cannon, even the heat can reliably one tap T55s.
The T55AM has composite on the turret so maybe dont shoot the composite and youll do alright.
You fire a chieftains L15A3 at a T55 pretty much anywhere at it nukes it.
Do you have a video of that ?
Well not really, so you can either believe it or not, but for my part I know what I saw, and I clearly saw how with my Centurion Mk10 I pierced a T-55A while it was somewhat sideways, killing the driver and gunner, and how the next 8 APDS passed through the armor without killing or damaging anyone or anything, the same penetration was simply reproduced over and over again, the bullet passing through the inside of the tank.
The AM1 and AMD have composite hull armor, and knowing that the L28A1-M392 are tungsten carbide, makes it impossible to pierce them in the front of the hull, only the M728 has any chance, so you would have to shoot at the front of the turret, praying that the bullet doesn’t magically bounce off, or that it pierces and does no damage.
I’m going to tell you what happened to me here. As a general rule, T-54s and T-55s are very prone to the driver taking all the damage from the bullets, which causes them to shoot back and kill you. In fact, I’ve noticed when using the T-54s that more than once I was hit and survived longer than normal than with other tanks.
In the case I mentioned, my first shot killed the driver and gunner, and the next 8 shots went through without causing any damage, until I was killed.
I know that APDS work better than HEAT-FS, but I like to use tanks with different bullets, if I use different tanks with always the same bullets in the end I get bored. Anyway, even knowing that HEAT-FS have unrealistically low damage, I find it even more horrible that randomly instead of penetrating it does no damage, making it seem like you fired a small caliber HE instead of a HEAT-FS.
false. That is absolutely not true, in game the 105mm APDS Be it the L28A1 or M392 can cut clean through it.
This to me tells more about how you are playing against the tanks.
No you are telling me that you have absolutely no idea how to defeat an incredibly easy series of tanks to take out, the T54 and T55s are only difficult when youre in say, a 7.7 heavy with APHE
1 8 shots with APDS penetrating a tank and not getting the kill is a glaring skill issue on your part.
In my genuine opinoon after over 3000 hours im calling bullshit on that tbh that isnt even possible considering the crew replacement would mean you would literally hit one of the two remaining crew once they replaced the driver.
i find it absolutely ridiculous that someone with 18 thousand ground battles is making claims like this man, also find it ludicrous that someone with as many games has barely even scratched rank 6 man, that is bonkers, no wonder you dont know how to take out a T55 xD
The fact is you must of shot a damn empty spot in the tank, that is nothing to do with the tank being good but infact your aim being bad
im not even saying this ironically mate, if you are near side on to a T55 its a one tap for a centurion mk10, or any 105mm apds or infact heat.
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Shame, I’d love to actually see that filmed but as all mysteries like Bigfoot go, they’re never filmed or are filmed by literal toasters.
Where did you shoot and why didn’t you move your aim elsewhere after half a dozen shots lol ?
Those are two out of how many T-54/55 variants ?
I think it’s six if we count in T-62.
He killed gunner and the driver, both of which are the ones that are always getting replaced and I think they take 13s (stock) to replace. Firing 8 shots from Mk10 takes way, way longer time than that though, so not killed them once again is pretty unbelievable.
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Exactly, it’s a skill issue. Look how bad I am. Shooting at the side of a tank, where with the first shot I already killed half of the crew and broke the engine. How can I be so inexperienced as to believe that if I continue shooting at the same point where I pierced him and killed half of his crew, I would end up killing him with the next shots at the same point. How naive I am.
And what’s the problem with leveling up all the nations almost at the same time and using all the tanks in the game? What happens if you need a Br 12.0 to be a good player?
8 penetrating shots on a t55 or T54 is a certain kill unless he fired them all directly into the engine deck from the side.
Having already got hundreds if not thousands of games across all the nations with that very 105mm cannon I can say for a certaintity the 105MM apds can go through the UFP of a T55AM1, AMD1, T55A, OT55, T62, obj 435 and the object 140.
It cannot I believe go through the UFP of a T62M1
after the second shot he should be aiming elsewhere tbh mate. but hey ho the T55 is indistructible