WIth the cheiftan i kinda disagree with you, do you have a lineup to go with it? Because the roikat and vickers mk11 are great as speed will work in any br. You also have the olifant mk1 as a backup, true its at 8.3 but its got the lrf and dart you seem to be wanting. Lets not forget the za35 and the falcon (falcon my beloved)
You also have the scimitar with 4 bullpups, and the buccaneer if you have it.
Theres only 1 br range i find it acceptable to leave without even bothering and thats 8.0. And only because ive yet to finish the swedish 8.0 lineup. I was spading the finnish t54 and would straight up leave, i finnished spading it and refuse to touch it.
Now im doing the strv 103 and 101, the 101 is essentially finished, however struggling with the 103, if i am crew locked in the 101 and the next game i get 9.0 with only the strv103 as my tank i just leave. Once i get the USh and ikv91 it will be a different story.
In short i think your excuse is rather sad, the cheiftan is an ok tank, you talk about long range as if we are playing on 2018 Sim maps, most maps are close enough in range to where you done need a lrf, the apds is what, 1400-1500 ms/s. It is fast enough to where you should be able to aim easily. You also have a range finder thats accurate to 2thousand + depending on your crew. You want the gun to aim automatically? what do you think people did before gaijin made lrf automatically elevate the weapon? Get the range, point you gun up or set the sight manually, and shoot. I dont see a problem with the tank. Sure it can go down to 8.3 or maybe get a faster reload. Otherwise its fine where it is, go play 8.0 t54s if you want to truly suffer.
I keep the mk5 chieftain in my 9.7 lineup as a back up mbt to the shir 1 ,3 and mk10 chieftain.
The cheiftain mk5 while missing its lrf and all of them the correct engines are absolutely fantastic tanks for the BR and between the mk3 and 5 ive nearly the same quantity of games as all my cr2s!
His excuse for leaving due to maps or br is quite pathetic, the chieftain apds has fantastic long range capbility as well as the range finder, which while ahistorical helps massively.
Neither the mk3 nor 5 deserve a lower BR.
In a full downtier they are incredibly oppresive if used right
You sound like you play them more than me so keep it in mind that you will have alot of experience in this thing. I am the same with the t3485, i have every t3485 with a free ace crew, except the swedish one, it is my favourite tank and i know how to use it very well because i play it alot. I have seen people say it should not face 6.7 tanks and i completely disagree despite their arguments. You have to consider that you may be the outlier on the higher end of the skill level with the tank.
I have played both and spaded both, they are not my favourite tanks as i prefer speed and only take the mk5 as my spawn after i am killed in cas to finish up the match. I think a slighly lower reload rate will help it massively, that way it can avoid getting a dart, lrf and better engine and going up in BR and it can avoid going down to 8.3. I dont think it will be too oppresive at 8.3 as many tanks when put in the perfect ideal situation they are made for will do great. I do not like the strv103, however i have gotten 3 nukes since starting to play it today and have 4 modules left to spade it. I really dislike this tank, however i got onto a hill on pradesh overlooking a and b and got 13 kills and no one was able to deal with me as i was perfectly hull down. Otherwise my games have been 2-3 kills. 5-6 is a good game in it.
Is it a good tank? No. Is it amazing on the occasion you manage to get it to the perfect position? Yes. If it was 7.7 would it be better? Not really. There is nothing for this tank, however for the chieftan i think there is some room to make it a bit more inviting to player who do not play it alot. I think a reload decrease is all it needs to make it a bit more competetive and inviting to player.
Okay so I read all of it now and while I agree with most of it.
In regards to the chieftain, with an expert ive got an 8 second reload, the tank fires an extremely potent APDS that usually one taps enemies, with an ace crew that reload is 7.5 seconds flat, which is actually only 1 second slower than tanks such as leopard 1 I think theyre 6.5s
So realistically the mk5 and 3 do not need a reload buff. They need their historical armours and engines definitely, and IMO the L15a5 needs to be modelled correctly over the L15A3. (being identical is ridiculous why would they even make the a5 then)
The mk5 also should get a LRF soon as it was deemed accepted over a year ago, which may actually push its BR up
the cheftains work extremely well at their respective BRs IMO im still using the L15A5(A3) at 9.7 on the shir two as I refuse to use its Ahistorical L23
The leo 1 is at 8.0 though so it is not the best comparison.
I have looked at what i deem to be the most versatile tank/s at that br. The t55 platforms and the m60 platforms. At 8.7 all nato 105mm cannons fire at 7.1 seconds expert and 6.7 ace. For chinese and russian tanks armed with 100mm cannon single peice ammo they fire at 8.0 seconds expert and 7.5 ace. The same as the 120mm dual peice ammo of the chieftan. The 3 other tanks, the t62, obj435 and the object122 chinese squadron fire single peice ammo, being 115mm at 8.5 seconds expert and 8.0 seconds ace. They are in the same boat as the chieftan with no lrf, and while the dart is faster and has better flat penetration the cheiftans l15a3 has much better 30 and 60 degree penetration. The Chinese object 122 has a 120mm cannon firing single peice ammunition at 9.8 seconds expert and 9.2 aced. The round is inferior to the l15a3 at 30 and 60 degree angles however it does get a lrf and i am not too sure about the richochet chances.
In short the chieftan seems to be on par with the t55 variants in terms of firepower, yes the rounds arent the exact same but the t55s have lrfs, missles, aphe, heat-fs etc etc. They are alot more mobile too. But that is not the topic.
I do agree with what you say about the ammunition though, it is a beautiful round as when i played the chieftan mk10 i never had an issue with it being the stock shell. Though i still believe a reload buff would be good even if its just to put it between the 105 nato tanks and the soviet tanks. This is for the chieftan mk3, if the mk5 recieves the upgrades you propose then i dont think it needs a buff.
In any case i do with these tanks where used more, i feel i hardly see them especially as mobility tends to define the better tank, so the vickers mk11 and roikats are prefered i believe. It is the same for the m60tts, i love the m60 tanks and have spaded almost all, however at 9.0 why would you tank the tts when there is the xm803?
Every tree you mentioned I have at top tier.
Im well aware of the M60 platforms, and the T55s.
The T55 platforms even the AM1 has far lower survivability than a chieftain in my experience
The darts on the worse end of the scale for darts TBH, think only a couple are worse like the Type 69 dart. Howeve, the Chieftain mark 5 is infact missing correct L15A5 ammunition AND a laser range finder.
Hardly a lot more mobile the T55Am1 goes 50kmph while the mk5 chieftain goes 48 same as the patton, as also stated all chieftains have the incorrect engines and should be more mobile.
Its not necessary though? at all? the chieftain reload is 7.5 seconds aced, that is bonkers for an 8.7 with a smashing 120mm cannon. the MK3 chieftain goes 41 kmph on almost every terrain, while not fast it is hardly slow and again it does not need a faster reload, it should get a better engine though
not necessarily true either, I see chieftains quite regularly when I used the 8.7 lineup tbh.
Thermals and better round? they fill different roles entirely.
The chieftain is better than the T55A and AM1 for firepower, the ATGM for the T55s isnt worth using unless you dont know how to aim, makes the reload slower. as well as this yes the LRF is better but the chieftain APDS is hardly difficult to aim with
The 100 mm cannon was deemed inferior to even the 105mm on the centurion lol.
The 120mm in the chief was deemed to be better than the 115mm on the T-62
Accurate to over 2000 meters as far as I know on chieftain. and had a substantially higher first round hit rate according to the tank museuems tanks chat
Ofc, Its not originally mine lol. but information is information. The Chieftain reports seem like they might go through. If so the Chieftain could have similar ballistic protection as the object 279.
I am thinking about making a thread for the RARDEN 30mm cannon as it too is also incorrect.
