Well, in some ways, yes. Mainly in a hull down position, when its hiding its hull it is stronger than T-55AM1, because in such a position it could kill the T-55AM1 easier than the T-55 could kill it, and the hull down MK10 will dispatch any T-55s with even less effort, and the T-55 can’t even pen the turret.
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You won’t have much opportunity to find a good place to hull-down on most maps. There are some that are completely flat and not to mention, good luck getting to an area to hide your hull in the first place since the Chieftain is so slow. As long as you shoot near gun area and avoid obvious areas with extreme sloping APFSDS can still go through the turret of the Chieftain easily. HEAT rounds completely ignore the sloping. The MK.10 is at a higher BR than the AM1 and rightfully so, I would blame BR compression instead.
Mk.3 would honestly be fine at 8.3, especially after they nerfed the penetration of the sabot (it used to be 320mm flat at 0 meters). Mk.5 can stay at 8.7 and not be completely unplayable but probably also should go to 8.3, as it’s only a slight mobility upgrade with zero other changes. Or they can change it to Mk.5/2 for Kuwait with laser rangefinder and it will be good at 8.7. Mk.10 can get L23A1 instead of L23 (L23 isn’t even a real APFSDS round, it is made up by Gaijin when the Mk.10 was first introduced) and could go to 9.3, or stay at 9.0 with L23. It is not 9.3 worthy in its current state.
Try out the ATGM on the 55s, it completely nullifies the armor of most things it sees. Also the APHE may be able to clear out the turret if you hit the cupola, but i have not tested this.
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The good thing is it carries smoke shells, I’ve used it to mask an area then slowly drive to the sniping position, I even carry up to 10 smoke shells, it will definitely help you get into position. This is a vehicle I wouldn’t bother driving to objective point, too risky.
Isn’t L15A5 not in-game yet? Isn’t it only L15A3.
Would be great if:
- Mk 3 was dropped to 8.3
- Mk 5 gets its laser range finder and L15A5 as top round
- Add Mk 5/4 with L15A5 as stock round and L23A1 as top round at 9.0
- Mk 10 has L15A3 removed as stock round and replaced with L15A5. Has the fake L23 removed and replaced with L23A1 as the top round. Have a rank IV modification that turns it into a Mk 11 with TOGS would be nice. Slight vehicle model changes have been done with other vehicles before. Can easily justify 9.3 with all that.
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Cool, Chieftain Mk10 already has that type of penning ammo with far more armor than all those tanks.
Just wait for Chieftain Mk11 when you get thermals as well for a 9.7/10.0 Chieftain.
Mmm, 9.0 Mk5.
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Why would the Mk 5/4 go higher than the current Mk 10 just by having L23A1? It doesn’t have stillbrew of the Mk 10, and doesn’t have the .50 of the Mk 5. So you’re losing a ton of armour and a secondary weapon to get a slightly better round.
The only difference between the Mk 10 and Mk 11 is the thermals. That’s hardly worth an increase in BR or adding a new vehicle. Just increase the Mk 10 to 9.3 and add the Mk 11 as a modification.
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Reading some of these comments makes me so glad! some of you have no say on in game balance otherwise the chieftain would be facing 11.0s lmafo. some of the greatest L takes on a vehicle ever written.
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BMP-1 and BMP-1P. Changes the model and weapon.
Tons of add-on armour modules change the model.
Isn’t the only difference between Mk 10 and Mk 11 the TOGS box?
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Ye.
And if you want a model change that adds TVD
No TVD
TVD
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The bug report for removing the fake L23 and replacing it with the actual L23A1 round is over 5 years old now.
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Yeah, but good luck getting a map with an actual hull down position that hasnt either been gotten rid of by gaijin or requires speed tog et to. Hull down the mk 10 turns into a 9.7, but any other map its 9.0.
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The cupola is a massive weakspot but i only see gepards accidently shooting it. For some reason its been left out of the collective consciousness of the m60/m48 massive weakspot thought.
Had a game yesterday where a guy soloed my entire team with 23 kills by the end because he didnt stop spawning and everybody just sat in spawn as spaa… He also penned me frontally with the gepard and took out my driver so i would really like to know how he did that.
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Maps that I wouldn’t even want to spawn it in:
Sun City
Advanced to the Rhine
Seversk13
Campania
Any other maps I would just sit still in one spot until someone grab a plane and bomb me lol even had several nukes in European province sitting at one spot watching that death corridor, the turret protection of mk10 is just out of the world and the gun handling makes it a deadly combination, for some reasons the commander always stay dead and I have to carry his corpse until the end of the match and his dead body just keep taking hits non-stop lol
APHE/Any shot to the cupola will kill commander. Gepards shoot at it on purpose when fighting me. Today I also had the same issue that a Gepard blitzed me from the front. The Chieftains were my closest chance to a nuke until recently (I keep bringing my crap up tiers for shiggles), unfortunately VFM5 took over for the closest nuke I have ever gotten… In a full 10.3 uptier using HEAT and low module unlock count…
So yeah. If a map can be hulldown, Chief, if not, VFM5. They are really well to have both in a lineup for the fact if it is good for one, the other may not be as good.
I will say though. Some Lots of people do know the 2 weakspots on a Chiefs turret during 6am-12pm UTC time on the US server. So shrubbery the turret face is working even better than I expected.
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30/35mm SAP/APHE nuking the turrets of anything with a cupola it can pen - is mildy frustrating, to put it lightly. But hey, I guess “the playerbase” didn’t want a change…
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Yeah, it just happened to me.
Some gepard hit my cupola and nuked my entire turret crew.
“Realism” my ass.
And people want APHE to remain OP.
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Which is funny because they complain about light tanks or AA being OP vs tanks.
Yeah. I can solve that for you. Just nerf APHE. Sure it won’t help vs APDS… But just use a vehicle that has spaced armour (or decoration armour (not custom, but tracks or wheels on large areas (Cent 5/1 as an example))).
“But I wanna kill with one shot no matter where I hit, why don’t you buff Solidshot instead”… These idiots are not going to like if Solidshot gets the same ability as APHE. Poor Brit tanks if they ever buff solid shot.
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