Leopard2s in top tir too weak

Leo 2A7/Strv 122
Abrams
Merkava Mk.4
Leclerc
Leo 2A5/6/PSO
CR2E
T-80BVM
Type 10/TKX
Ariete AMV
CR2BN
ZTZ99A/WZ1001
T-90M
VT4/A1
T-72B3A

Can depend on map, on hull-down maps 2A5 > Leclerc for example.

There are too many ranking grades of yours. Even the weakest T72B3A can immediately destroy what you think is the strongest Leopard 2A7 or break its barrel when hitting it from the front. So, in fact, the gap between them is not that big. Besides, your ranking pays too much attention to mobility, but excellent hull protection can make a tank more offensive. Russian tanks are good examples.When charging forward, Russian tanks pose a greater threat than most of the more maneuverable but vulnerable NATO tanks.

And the M22 can destroy the 2A7s barrel and kill it from the side. Your logic is flawed.

If you keep talking like that, it won’t be interesting. What I mean is in a positive way.

My point is, armor is not something you should rely on. Mobility and armor is nice yes, but so is stuff like gun depression, reverse, reload, etc. Stuff T-XX tanks lack, and it hampers them in battles.

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If you truly believe that Russian tanks are weak, then why are the vast majority of players in this game choosing to use Russian tanks? And the average performance of Russian tanks is also much better than that of most NATO tanks?
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FOTM. Good players flock to the meta, which is RU CAS. To play CAS, you must spawn a tank.
US WR jumped 15% when M1A2 SEP was added, even though it was identical to previous tanks.

Abrams sigma

I know that M1A2SEP was indeed excellent in the past, but do you have any data to support the “US WR jumped 15% figure you mentioned?

Please don’t try to deceive me with the former wtdata website. That website only collected data from players who had logged in on the site.

Data, unfortunately not. Was told about it by a very experienced WT player, who I trust.

These stats are kind of irrelevant, its mostly from players who grinded using premium 2a4’s, its not the tank, its just the bad players, the leopard 2s are one of the best top tiers in the game.

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So, I am also an experienced player. I even presented a sufficient amount of data. I believe you should also trust me.

The trend is that Germany now has a 38% win rate at 11.7, and barely better at 12.7. And this is BEFORE the nerfs to IRIS-T SLM.

The PLO should’ve never gone up and stayed together with the Canadian one. Who honestly was fine at 11.7. Even with decompression.

Outside of that. Welcome to not having any decent CAS. The Tiger is overtiered as hell, Spikes suck. And the tanks even while okay get absolutely dumpstered by LMURs and co whom they face consistently.

Which doesn’t mean that the nerfs to the Leopard 2s weren’t bad, nor that Leopard 2 PL going up so much wasn’t unjustified.

While the win rates aren’t down solely to the Leopard 2s themselves. The BR changes, the nerfs, the lack of proper CAS, the nerfs to IRIS-T SLM, EFT, and Tiger going up in BR have massively contributed to the issue.

As has the complete nuking of any real line ups.

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Its mainly the players. The entire BR bracket is filled with 2A4M and Click-Bait players.

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That’s complete and utter bullshit, and you know it. Especially when Win Rates dropped by 10-20% depending on nation after the introduction of LMUR, nerfs to Leo and IRIS-T and so on. Blaming it on “players” is the most tired and baseless argument.

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Especially since the T80U-E1 has more games than the Clickbait and the 2A4M

It’s the go to excuse when they see win rates they don’t like. But they also argue they need LMUR, Yak 9K and co to save their win rates. Don’t forget that RUssia has a whole premium line up at 10.3 which does entirely fine. But they also use their win rates to argue “they’re not OP!” despite many new players buying and playing them and doing okay in them.

Well i mean they kinda do, the mid tanks and even more mid players are not going to.