Because those are the average experiences of those BR ranges.
I have repeatedly stated Gaijin doesn’t present information on the rate of uptiers for BR ranges / specific tanks. Your inability to recognize this isn’t an issue on my part.
M60-AMBT is one hell of a tank.
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The Type 88s are a better T-55AM, more mobility, better APFSDS, even a little more reverse to boot iirc
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| Vehicle | Leopard A1A1 | T-55AM-1 |
| Max Speed Forward | 66kph | 51kph |
| Max Speed Reverse | 26kph | 8kph |
| Power to Weight (Horsepower/ton) | 19.58hp/t | 16.63hp/t |
| Reload (Min - Max (seconds)) | 8.71 - 6.70s | 9.75 - 7.50s |
| Turret Rotation max deg/sec | 24deg/sec | 15deg/sec |
| Vertical Guidance | -9/+20 | -5/+16 |
| APFSDS penetration @60 @1000 | 186mm | 112mm |
Leopard is better in every way except armour and rangefinding
If you disagree.
Too bad.
I’ve literally never stated otherwise.
Two have better mobility, the ERA one has the shittier engine but gets thermals so.
They’re quite good tanks but they don’t eclipse them.
Maybe for you, others have other average experiences and can surely be totally different.
You can continue making things up to “back up” your wild claims.
Great, seems like, according to data A1A1 should in fact be one BR step above AM-1.
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The Type 88A and B are the same tank, the B just has a shorter barrel and no proxy HE shell, both use composite armour. Both are better than the T-55AM meaning it is not the top dog of 8.7.
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I’m done.
What performance in game?
“The” performance?
We aren’t comparing lineups, we’re comparing singular tanks.
Ah… Like the Chieftains? Or the Type-74s, which are arguably worse than the Leopards?
Yeah, sure.
In game performance and differences are dependent on exactly what he stated. DM23 has more flat pen, angled pen, shot weight, ricochet chance, and so on.
It is better in every conceivable way, including the reload that is a full second slower.
It has a coincidence rangefinder, and its next upgrade gets better ammo, thermals, and a rangefinder altogether.
But thanks for pointing out that the only downside it has over the T-55 is a rangefinder…
I wish I had gotten it, but I don’t think I’d want it to begin with… Solely because of its looks.
That is the actual problem which is why I made this thread.
At 9.0 the Leo A1A1 leaves the 8.7 German vehicles without a solid lineup, and after the nuking of 7.3 it makes the Cold Wars Germans rather annoying to play.
Yeah IMO that was unneeded change. I would pretty much rather them only uptier few exceptional tanks (light tanks with good rounds and thermals, speed for their low BR.)
That affected every nation pretty much.
That’s the entire point of the BR change… To remove one of Germany’s strongest vehicles of a very popular lineup and assist with decompression by shifting the meta.
How much French 7.7 have you played? It was borderline impossible to survive with Leopard A1A1s around, let alone American lineups with the same issues at 7.7.
If you want the lineup, you play 9.0. If you don’t like it, use the 9.7 lineups. It was moved due to a severe imbalance in downtiers, and now that’s where it sits until higher tier decompression, which is currently being prepared for.
If you’re taking hard stats then the T-55s beat the Leopard A1A1 by every metric but mobility and gun depression both of which aren’t unbeatably better especially mobility and become situational at best.
I can’t believe he said that. That guy is the king of ignoring key differences and labeling them as “irrelevant” lol.
Yes I’m not advocating for the Leo 1 to go back to 7.3
No the Leo 1’s BR placement doesn’t excuse the A1A1’s placement
Yes it had good changes and bad ones.
“every way except armour”
“every way except armour and rangefinding”
Two different statements.
“If you’re taking hard stats then the T-55s beat the Leopard A1A1 by every metric but mobility and gun depression both of which aren’t unbeatably better especially mobility and become situational at best.”
True
“The average performance of the T-55AMs is better than the Leo A1A1 due to a variety of factors which isn’t specific to the vehicles in question.”
Also true.
They are irrelevant until they are relevant as are all differences.
In the context of 0.3 BR they do not provide enough reasoning for the difference while taking in to account other factors I have mentioned.
Every metric but Reload Rate, Depression, Ammunition, Ballistics, Damage, Speed, Neutral Traverse, Reverse Speed, Hull-Down performance and Survivability in hull down positions, and… What else… Engine power, transmission gearing, armor versatility, sight zoom/fov, commander sight, and you can get the 1A5 directly after the A1A1. You don’t get another vehicle with thermals until the T-90A, while the 1A5 gets thermals, an LR system, better ammo, and slightly better armor.
Did I say literally anything about the Leo 1 being 7.3?
Again, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Nobody here mentioned the Leopard 1, nor does the Leopard 1 have anything to do with the A1A1’s BR placement.
You have TURMS and T-80B with thermals but they are 10.0 and 10.3 respectively. That’s a quite bit higher than 9.0.
You forgot about Commander overdrive for the main gun. But all of those metrics are irrelevant, AM-1 is actually better than A1A1 !!!