Leopard A1A1 is 9.0 but the T-55AM-1 and the T-55AMD-1 are 8.7

“True” is the least constructional response I have seen in a LONG time.
“Situational at best” is an amazing way to denounce any advantage by simply saying “but this doesn’t have to reverse since it can simply kill the enemy before needing to get into cover”.
But no, the T-55 does not beat the A1A1 out by any means. Everything “better” on the AM-1 gives it no advantage in almost any situation, especially on a 1:1 fight, and the one distinctive upgrade I see is the laser rangefinder.

And the secondary point of “it’s better because of a variety of factors” is entirely unsubstantiated. Better yet, he claims it isn’t even due to the vehicle itself!
Way to stay on topic and throw around word salads that say absolutely nothing!

I’m talking the exact research line the T-55AMD-1 is on.
That excludes the T-72AV TURMS-T (Premium)
That excludes the T-80BV (Malyshev line)

From what I remember only the 1A5 has commander fire control.
Ah, yeah, irrelevant… Like you, I assume?

A1A1 has it as well.

“That’s the entire point of the BR change… To remove one of Germany’s strongest vehicles of a very popular lineup and assist with decompression by shifting the meta.”

“True is the least constructional response I have seen in a LONG time.”

The response was directed at another user who said I had contradicted myself which is not the case.

“And the secondary point of “it’s better because of a variety of factors” is entirely unsubstantiated. Better yet, he claims it isn’t even due to the vehicle itself!
Way to stay on topic and throw around word salads that say absolutely nothing!”

Russia’s lineups don’t perform well due to the tanks. The tanks are average at best.

They perform well because they can field full lineups.

Taking the Leo A1A1 means uptiering your entire 8.7 lineup which puts you in a bracket that is on average uptiered.

As has been repeated previously if you don’t believe 8.7 faces less uptiers than 9.0 because you can’t view empirical evidence provided by Gaijin themselves then “too bad” as they do not provide said information.

Still claims something he can’t prove.
Getting quite sad to be honest.

My guy putting a 9.0 means having the possibility of facing 10.0 that is fact

Same as every 9.0 in the game.

Yes it is a major issue in War Thunder that nations are not able to form full lineups at specific BRs.

Make a suggestion for a second 9.0 then.

This is the issue with the current Battle Rating system it’s too rigid for historical gaps in tank design.

There should be a hard limit placed to separate eras, they’ve slightly done this with the recent decompression making 6.7 heavies playable again as they’re mostly facing more historical opponents.

Yeah…? That’s exactly what I said.

You said the Leo 1 was 7.3 and was moved to 8.0 to dismantle one of Germany’s strongest lineups.

This is accurate but moving the Leo 1 to 8.0 doesn’t remove its ability to form a lineup.

Leopard 1
RakJPz 2
DF105
Raketenautomat
Marder 1A3

Full, functional line up excusing the lack of SPAA.

What do you have at 9.0?

TAM 2IP, a premium.

You are forced to take your 8.7 tanks to 9.0 or take a 9.0 tank to 9.3

Neither option is “good”.

The Leo A1A1’s benefits do not justify its 0.3 BR difference which removes its ability to form a competent lineup.

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It’s benefits are more than what’s needed to warrant 0.3 BR increase over AM-1. Maybe try advocating for TAM going to 9.0 (where it deserves to be) so your A1A1 will have a perfect companion to play 9.0 matches with.
So, if TAM goes up you would have A1A1, TAM, 2IP and Class 3 (P) all at 9.0. (+ Gepard as SPAA).

To be honest, A1A1 doesn’t even have a place at 9.3 lineup. L/44 + 1A5 + T-72M1 + Begleitpanzer + KPz-70 + C2A1 + M48 Super.
Even if you look at tech three vehicles only, A1A1 would be the 6th pick at 9.3.

The T-55AMs were historically designed to face the A1A1.

The A1A1 does not massively outclass the T-55AMs.

You are listing event and premium vehicles to try and justify the lack of lineup potential.

The largest issue in War Thunder is lineup potential. It is most prevalent at top tier where the majority of nations lack support vehicles and several miss functional SPAA.

There is no logical reason for the A1A1 to be 9.0 in the current BR system.

And they face them all the time, what’s exactly your issue here ?

Vehicle doesn’t need to massively outclass another one just to warrant a single BR step increase lmfao.

Nah, you are limiting your lineup potential by refusing to use 8.7 vehicles in a 9.0 lineup.
By your logic, Russian top tier consists of only BVM and Pantsir, since those are the only ground vehicles at 11.7.
:clown: moment lol.

There is no logical reason for the TAM not to be 9.0 in the current BR system.

Fixed it for you, no worries.

At 9.0 Germany loses its 8.7 lineup

It gets the exact same penetration that Sweden gets. So are you saying that Sweden should get its BR reduced?

Not true.
8.7 Swedish tanks have DM23 copy which is a better shell than 3BM25 in every aspect, especially against angled armor.

No, I didn’t.

Again, learn to fucking read mate. Third time now that I have to tell you to stay on topic.