Leopard A1A1 is 9.0 but the T-55AM-1 and the T-55AMD-1 are 8.7

Most of your counter points are just issues you have with how you play the tank, I don’t have such problems in the AMX-30 because I don’t choose to have such problems.

“You aren’t driving on perfectly flat surfaces and going over uneven terrain will mess up your aim. There’s a pretty good reason why stabilization became a norm decades ago, but you are here trying to downplay the importance of said system. Another big :clown: moment.”

At 8.7 tanks aren’t zipping around at 60KM/H on average, that’s been one of the major discussion points in this thread. No I don’t really care if a tank that is going 30KM/H has a two place stabilizer, I do care if it is going 60KM/H and has one. It seems the majority of people in this thread care quite a lot hence the contentious discussion around the A1A1.

The AMX-30’s major weakness is its greatest strength as it means it gets placed at a much lower BR than where it should be for all the other features it has. This allows its ERA to be at an effective BR and its soft kill APS to be at a BR where it will actually function. They are fantastic tanks if you are willing to put up with the lack of a stabilizer, which I am.

aka don’t play aggressively because the vehicle can’t handle it, just sit back and camp in one place
That’s the biggest problem of AMX-30s, they simply aren’t as versatile as other medium tanks.

They also aren’t going 20km/h like they are 4.0 heavies lol.
A1A1 (and also AMX-30s) needs ~5 seconds to reach 40km/h from a standstill. They are also comfortable to cruise at speed of ~40km/h. So, at those speeds lack of stabilization is pretty noticeable.

They are fantastic tanks if you are willing to put up with being locked in a single playstyle, which you obviously are.

I’ve stated repeatedly how I prefer to use AMX-30s and don’t care about its lack of stabilization in CQC combat as much as people make it seem like I should care. It just simply isn’t a major problem unless you let it become one.

Yes, which is why if you need to engage a target you don’t want to be at those speeds.

Yes, you can get caught out flying and not be able to shoot a tank because you don’t have a stabilizer.

Knowing what your tank can and can not do is just part of the game.

Okay we just agreed AMX-30s aren’t the most versatile mediums out there, they can thrive only if using the single playstyle. Good job.

Now, since this is the thread about A1A1 and AM-1, I hope you found some other counter-arguments that aren’t “situational”.
We’ve listed quite a few differences that go in favor of A1A1, and all you’ve come up with is citing your subjective feelings and data that can’t be backed up.
I suggest you try better if you want even a single person to agree with your ridiculous claims.

If you restrict yourself by what you think your tank can do then no you will not be able to do what your tank can actually do.

The AMX-30 can brawl, snipe, flank, cap rush, blast helicopters rocket rushing, blast props, and decimate soft targets.

The only thing the AMX-30 can’t do is fly 90KH/M down the side of the map and make a cross map shot with pin point accuracy.

There’s only one legitimate benefit to the A1A1, its mobility, and as I’ve stated repeatedly I do not view its small improvement in mobility over its Russian counter parts to justify removing a functional lineup for Germany at 8.7

You’ve forgot about reload speed, turret traverse, gun depression and better round.
Try again, you might work this out at some point, it isn’t that difficult to grasp.

Negligible, situational, no Russian tank does, only a matter in uptiers.

All of these points were brought up and discussed elsewhere in this thread.

So far, multiple posters presented a plethora of arguments that go in A1A1’s favor, meanwhile your best argument to date is still “muh situational, muh negligible”.

I think it’s for the best to let this thread die out if you don’t have any constructive arguments to share.

So far everyone has reiterated that the A1A1 is faster.

Yes, the A1A1 is a faster tank.

That + it’s better reload, gun handling and gun depression. Those are factual things and no one can deny their usefulness.
That’s more than enough to get that 0.3 BR increase in my opinion, and by the looks of it, that opinion is shared by everyone else expect you.

Until you find something new to discuss, I’m afraid this thread have ran it’s course.

Negligible, situational, no Russian tank does.

The Leopard A1A1? The entire fucking topic point?

The A1A1’s old placement gave it the same problems, the decompression didn’t put it from 8.3 to 8.7, it was already 8.7

Holy shit there’s no way you’re this dense…

8.7 is not 9.0

The decompression did not move tanks at 9.3 / 9.7 up, it just moved the 7.0-9.0 range around.

The A1A1 is not a 9.0 tank, it is an 8.7 tank.

You are wrong, yet again.

Gaijin did not decompress 9.3 / 9.7

They specifically stated so in their blog that the decompression was focused on 7.0 - 9.0

I guess Gaijin is wrong and they don’t know what they did?

Multiple tanks got moved from 9.7 to 10.0, not my fault you can’t read properly.

Tanks were adjusted because of mechanic changes / balancing changes. This wasn’t through the action of decompression. Your inability to understand the changes made to the game isn’t my issue, it’s yours.

Well, if their goal was to decompress 7.0 - 9.0 as you said, stuff that’s 9.3+ also had to be moved up to prevent compression there, it’s pretty simple.
Guess what, Gaijin did exactly that, and those increases of vehicles not in 7.0 - 9.0 range had to be made to properly implement said decompression.