As far as i’ve investigated they has 15 with an order of 59 and with plans on extending the order to a higher numbers, together with plans on adding new tech, the F35 had a few issues that got solved in early to mid stages idk if italy Ever got them fixed since they were producing the mid stages of the F35, or if they ever got them in the first place, the order was delayed for some months in a few stages for what i could because of production issues with some of the parts if you have info to disclose or dimiss what i said it would be nice of you to share it since im doing my personal investigation on it
Leopard can’t fit an autoloader due to numerous factors and it would require a heavy modification of the turret wich would have to be approved in the first place
Then my advice Is to get Better sources, the ones You used are inadequate. It seem that Your info are from 2015 (wich means they are pretty outdated)
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Info it’s pretty límited so i get onto italian sources or lockheed Martin but Indeed the info its from 2015
Considering Italy Will be the biggest leo2A8 user (since Italy ordered 132 units + 124 recovery units or similar numbers while germany for now ordered 18) there Will be much money for more changes
Was said issues it’s asking KMW for this and taking in count how is Germany it’s either gonna be stupidly hard or just not gonna pass through and Will have to settle in a non autoloaded version
Not only is the information you are using old, it’s pretty rich trying to pretend Germany has a better air force than anyone in NATO. They have been having their air defense subsidized by the US for the last 30+ years while they fart along with the Eurofighter program. As late as 2019 the only had 4 of which FMC at any one time which is pathetic, and only recently FINALLY bought into a 5th Gen program while likely not having a single airframe before the rest of the alliance has already completed their F-35 buys and are looking into the next thing.
Congratulations! Do you want a medal for that achievement as well? News flash, Leopard 2A8 is an interim varaint for Germany until 2Ax/9 is ready for production, which it should be around ~2026/2027.
Then again, Bundeswehr recently confirmed that they’re in need for at least ~120 more tanks for the new Lithuania Brigade & operational reserve sooo… take that as you will.
They have been having their air defense subsidized by the US for the last 30+ years while they fart along with the Eurofighter program.
As late as 2019 the only had 4 of which FMC at any one time which is pathetic
What.
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My bad got the numbers wrong it wasn’t 4 available at any one time but only 1 in 4 available. Which is still pathetic.
And France only had 19% of their Tiger fleet mission capable back in 2018/9, what’s your point? That nations at the time didn’t feel the need to keep their equipment operational perchance(?).
This still makes your CLAIM a massive pile of nonsense, because Germany was never subsidized by US when it comes to their airforce, ever.
Though, it’s fine to ignore that there were times when US itself only had ~50% of their respective aircraft models up and running, isn’t it? As long as nobody mentions it, that is…
Here’s a source (pretty new) talking about Luftwaffe’s EFTs achieving a 80% mission capable readiness rate:
It’s not. They outsourced their air defense to the US. The ONLY reason they were able to produce the ef-2000 without an interim 4th Gen aircraft like every other typhoon operator is because they relied on the US. So trying to downplay the Italians having a better air force than them now because of some fantasy production problem is bullshit.
Cool. You’re not the only one in here last I checked
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By the time Italy receives the majority of 2A8’s Germany will have most likley switched to the 2AX/9 as they are using the 2A8 as a intermediate. You are forgetting that you are speaking of timeframe of ~14 years in the future and assuming Germany wont do anything in the mean time.
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Dude I Just pointed out a Number to highlight that since Italy Is investing a lot on those units, various changes will be implemented. I don’t understand why You feel offended.
I never said that Germany won’t do anything After the 2a8, I Just pointed out that Italy Will be the biggest 2a8 operator. Idk were You ever saw me saying this. You are Just assuming that I don’t know anything about German projects wich Is, again, a wrong statement.
2A9? Would it have any significant changes over the 2A8?
Afaik a redesign, pretty much. Supposed to be a Germany exclusive variant. It’s been in the works for about 7 years already I think?
When is it planned to enter service? I’ve just never seen anything about it.
Ahh.
Ew, hull