Italys Leopard 2A8 negotiations fell through and Hungary has not ordered them.
We can only hope that the handful sent to Italy before the deal fell through count
u are aware he answered to your post about KF51s right?
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buddy, there were never any send to italy in the first place, no 2a8 is built yet
I saw after the fact, didn’t care to correct 🤷♂️
I do think KF-51s should be added to Italy though for sure
oh definitly both italian and hungarian versions
But the KF51 130mm demonstrator to germany
Why didn’t Germany get demonstrator Kf-41? Wouldn’t make sense if Germany got the KF-51 if they used Kf-41 logic.
IIRC Gaijin did say Germany will get a KF-41 at some point, but it’s not like Gaijins word means much
gajins other games have the KF51 in germany already as well
Those games are only published by gaijin and not developed by them.
I thought some were already built and a few got sent to Italy for discussions on how to produce certain components in Italy (or something)?
If the two models are different enough i don’t see why don’t have both
Not the case.
There is no finished 2a8.
Pnly demonstrators with a lot features missing.
And what they did with it is not enough for implementation
They aren’t, someone went off on a spiel about the KF51 which doesn’t have any alternative variants yet. Two of any of the ‘best’ vehicle in a single tech tree is unlikely to happen anyway for balancing and playstyle reasons.
So the Leopard 2A6 and the Strv 122b+ in the same tech tree never happen?
Joke aside the italian KF51 will be customized for italy and will be different from the hungarian one
They aren’t the same vehicle… one is based on the 2A5 with major internal and external upgrades while the other is just a 2A6. I’ve got no clue what each defence forces is looking for so I can’t say how drastic the modifications are gonna be, but its pretty safe to say its not enough to warrant two vehicles in the tree.
So the same thing happening to the KF51 lol, they all have major differences.
Its more likely you arent keeping up to speed about the KF51 project both italy and hungary have independently with major differences in development
No. Neither Italy nor Hungary seem to be involved in the 2A8 project. At least thats the current status. Hungary has not ordered anything above 2A7 and Italy bailed the 2A8 project cause it was refused to establish a domestic italian production line.
So far the only ingame operator is the Bundeswehr. Like Two years ago, 18 2A8 were ordered as test batch. During summer last year, after evaluation, 105 more Leopard 2A8 were ordered. Germany will be the only ingame nation who operates the 2A8. Sweden/Finland, France/Netherlands, Italy/Hungary might eat dirt this time :)
Beschaffung: LEOPARD 2 A8 für die NATO-Ostflanke
As far as I understand, the 2A8 is just a temporary solution to have a new standard to address issues western armor faced in Gaza and in UKR. Around 120 2A8 will be ordered and the existing fleet will be upgraded to this standard. Bundeswehr states the standard is so far not fixed and might get more things added (UAV defense).
While this happens, the true new Leopard is under development. It will be likely referred to as Leopard 2A9 or Leopard 3. The 2A9 / 3.0 might be the last Leopard model. After this, Franco/German MGCS will take over.
The Rheinmetall KF line is an independant thing. So far no ingame nation seems to have ordered one of those. Means just Ger will likely get the existing test beds. If Gajin feels like it. But other nations also gets test beds added left and right. So why not?
Before all this happens, Gajin should consider that Germany upgraded several base Leopard 2A7 to 2 A7A1 standard. This one should be introduced, it were 10+ Leopards refitted to evaluate Rafael’s Trophy and some other things. These should find their way into WT very soon, imho.
Whats also missing is the high pressure ammunition for the L55/A1 gun. DM73 is the current standard APFSDS since 2021. DM63 (since 2005) for the older L55 guns, which also holds some benefits over DM53. Soon DM83 will be introduced (also just for L55/A1 high pressure gun)… But ingame we’re still stuck at DM53 from 1998? Why? That was almost 30 yeara ago and isn’t even used anymore. It doesn’t make sense to add new tanks, but refuse to give them their ammo. So please DM63 for every existing Leopard 2 L55 gunned tank and DM73 for the L55/A1 ones.
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By the time we finally see the 2A8 (given that they only seem to add like 1 new somewhat unique rank VIII MBT per year now), the first 2A8 might have entered service with the dutch army already.
Which would make it a fair addition :)
So far just Ger and Norway (not ingame) ordered A8 tanks. You know how it works. Its a year–long process. Even if the Netherlands order it right NOW, it takes like 3+ years to finally get them. Right now I’m not aware that Netherlands even operate MBTs. During cold war they operated almost 1000 (wow), but right now it should be still 0. Even if NL wants to re-build at least one tank brigade, it might take many, many years.