Personally I cant decide what would be a correct figure, given that there are video(Bundeswehr) and text(The book that was mentioned by a Bundeswehr official) evidence supporting -9 & +20 as well as the brochure with -7.4 & +17.x. At this point, why doesnt Gaijin just send a email asking knds to query for a percise numerical figure that can then be implemented without all the disputes. I think the situation currently warrants a more effortful investagation on Gaijin’s side to settle all the disputes.
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Hate to break it to you but its down to players to prove that is the case. Brochure says specs are for it, its a primary source and the most relevant info given to gaijin relating to it so far, it will be reflected as so in game.
I dont care enough about another crappy leopard 2 variant to do it myself and the normal bug reporters for german MBTs are still throwing toys out of the pram because the same thing they do all the time has bitten them in the backside this time. Unless a few better primary sources appear or a manual is legally dispensed the 2a8 will stay with those specs.
Honestly the Sources from the Operator should be taken as Priority than what the Manufacturer says because the Operator has their own Specs which can Heavily differ from the Information given by the Manufacturer.
that goes both ways. military docs can be stupidly poor quality just as much as the manufacturers can be
Honestly tho, why not at the very least try contacting knds officially ?
It’s not like gaijin is asking them for precise numbers and composition of their newly built hulls or anything like that, it’s just gun elevation and depression
Elevation and depression that even has been mentioned many times before on previous models
I fail to see why it would be considered classified info.
At least on paper, this seems like a logical way to put this discussion to an end.
I really do hope that this isn’t out of the realm of possibility for this one.
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broski.
they arent going to talk to us plebians.
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I mean, i’m not talking about us trying to get something out of knds, like the mods above said, such info from us could easily just be AI generated, i am simply hoping that gaijin themselves could contact them
it’s probably wishful thinking, sure, but it just seems like the most straight-forward solution
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I mean they have got answered in the past by other companies, like with the puma fire rate, iirc they made an iquiry and they got answered so it is not impossible, that being said it would have to be done by gaijing itself.
Note they asked the Bundeswehr directly in the puma’s case
Sigh… Its like I get that its From the Manufacturer But my point is that the Brochure Itself has been proven even by the person who has Posted them to the Bug Reporting Service that these two are Identical despite these two Series of Tanks have 0 Relations besides being the same Tank Family.
And it doesnt even specify Which Variant it even is since Not every 2A7 is the same, One can have more Depression or weight than the other. And we dont even mention the 2A8 because the KNDS Brochure is straight up false marketing because as stated it comes with Standard things that the 2A8 Brochure states as Optional and Vise Versa.
But so far Gaijin has not even considered looking at any other source and yes the Military as some bad Sourcing too I dont disagree with that but when for example words from the Procurement Manager of the Bundeswehr gets denied then… what kind of info can you even bring out?
I will be heading Off and I just gonna say this. No I have no hatred against this argument or something, I just find this entire Situation just confusing and illogical but looking at it right now there isnt a way in hell to convince Gaijin to at least have a look back, but thats where we are at right now. But thats about it have a nice one. 🙂
even less likely.
Gaijin is russian (sure the company is based in hungary on paper, its russian still in reality), KNDS really wont want to talk to a russian company to give details on the variant of their tank thats going to define the next 20 years
For Merkava 4, they remove a good chunk of the side turret armor to mount Trophy.
For tanks like Abrams and Leo 2 it’s mounted on an unchanged turret.
… yeah… if that random 2 shells gets hit. It’s crazy that you won’t concede that most of your ammo being jnlikely to detonate is a survival bonus worth the loss of a few mm of pen.
I can assure you Spanish didn’t. But you’re raging at this point and need to take a break away from the keyboard.
Sure. You don’t bet on your armor, but having better armor shows up more than when you don’t. Just because you said you don’t rely on it doesn’t mean it has zero value in a comparison.
Calm down, it’s a game and you’re not God’s gift to earthly intellect. Spanish ain’t wrong and you can debate things politely.
Bruh, Avenger stop talking please. It’s unimaginable level of how someone can possess this much of ignorance. Your “best” tanks bite the dust from abrams both on paper and statistically
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In what way a free kill? There is a lot of scenarios that can happen afterwards.
- Abrams teammates roll out and shoot you
- Abrams retreats back hiding under teammates line of sight.
- Abrams commander shoots your track and Abrams retreats to repair. The thing most of Leopards actually cannot do
- Abrams shoot you back turning its hull.
And finally scenario where you actually kill abrams. But it’s no way it’s free kill if you need more than one shot to finish enemy
Yes, many people have already sent emails to KNDS, but what does the data for L2A8 on the brochure have to do with L2A7V
Oh, it seems like there’s a selective restoration. Gaijin is arrogant enough
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