thats not the case, PSO has a good bit worse armor
And that without the armor beak missing
I mean the APS system will and can intercept CAS ordinance
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Ofc it is. The question is just if the difference is enough to make up for the differences in the other aspects of GRB.
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Well define “best”. For example, i believe the best T-90 is in Britain and its Bhishma. And you can try best T-72 which is T-72A in at least three nations.
Their “very top tier”? M1A2 in China and Britain. T-80U would be in the Korea, and there are two Oplot which are close to T-80. BVM isnt exactly the “diffferent” experience than other T-80s.
I dont really agree with that as i believe most top tier tanks of one nation are QUITE close (well except USSR where there are two different style MBTs) on experience. So loosing one equals much as loosing every other.
Yes, but its intended policy to not make FNF super effective. Again they can shoot from behind the grounds, and dont need to follow by your sight.
As much as i agree, then again it comes to talk about not making FNF super effective.
Werent they also adjusted with the addition of new modules tho?
I said Overall, specialy for the line up at top tier.
germany has 1 armored leo, sweden has 3 as example
and hows the chinese and british abrams even better in any regard?
They both get the worse round as well without anti era feature
shifts eyes to CAS and Helis
that ones not true, you need to be able to lock the target, which you cant do realy from behind cover, you can dip after shooting yes, but its plenty of time to get killed.
hell no lol, we even got holes that can be penetrated by mgs
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/opkHVanXstCP
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/opfQA5TSBvtF
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/a2drqJJ1T155
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3hE1hRujqGUw
Honestly, one reason we wanna get another Leopard would be to get them to finaly go trough with their damn DM rework. All “new” leopards since then were without the arrowheads were a lot of the problem lies, and those didnt get touched.
But there is reasons why we laugh when people complain about leos and we got ignored promised reworks since over 2 years ago, in 4 months it turns into 3 years since the promise
Sorry i still miss the point
Ah well yes, but they dont seem to give different experience anyway.
They arent, but they are played exactly the same even without the new round.
and well they also receive a new round…
They call them a problem if you dare explore their thoughts. But, being Gaijin, they keep buffing it xD
WEll not exactly, as it requires a little wiggle to do a quick launch.
Not so much
I think his point is that if youre trying to find the best overall MBT of a family then its usually in the respective nations tree. The best Abrams is in the US tree. The best T80 and T90 are in the USSR tree. Same applies for the Ariete, Leclerc, Challenger and so on. But for Germany its not really that way because of the 2A7HU and the 122B+.
Its not really a problem but it somewhat discourages grinding Germany over other trees.
Well if we say “best” as “most modern/geared-up” then yes, it sure is. But if “best = best experience” then i disagree with that.
Well to look at it that way… It makes very much sense yes.
Yeah that is essentially what I meant. Just the most modern, best version independent of BR or anything.
Take the Dozerblade and you feel it, because the Dozerblade has FULL Collision, its impressive how often you can get Stuck ;3
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The best Tiger also found its way to the Italian tree, thx to its favorable track addon armor. The best Arado floatplane is rolling for Sweden. The best Bf-109G-2 is also Sweden. Best Leopard tank. The best Stug is Sweden as well, best Panzer IV’s are with Sweden or Italy (they get favorable rank III). There are many examples like this. For other nations it would be unthinkable. Some ppl think there is indeed anti Ger bias going on. No other way to explain why the German Stug IV is rank II even at BR 4.0…its simply unplayable with this rank. While the very same in other countries is easily rank III. Same for the Pz IVs. Its unfair. Imagine how community would react if the best Abrams tank would suddenly be with the GB or CHN tree.
Same with mine plow on the Bhishma, they are sooo annoying.
screw dozer blades or mine plows in this game.
There is no Stug IV at all in the Game
Still the 2nd best tank in the game, if you pair it with 122s. 3rd-5th for 2A5/2A6/PSO depending on scenario (hull-down vs urban).
If you’re playing 12.7, there is plenty of non-LDIRCM helis to go around. While you are fodder for LDIRCM helis, its one of the best AA against fixed wing CAS, as you have to put the missile in front aspect and dump flares in a flower pattern, all while not having a proper idea of where the missile is. Its easier at close range vs long where people are often jumpscared by the missile and die. This is opposed to ARH (just stay low, everyone knows this) or SACLOS (break LOS or just manuever).
But everyone is just Spawning fotm. No top tier match vs. Germany without ldircm helis. Players are not stupid, they know it can’t be countered.
No Swedish Stug also since when did the Panzer IV J become the best Panzer IV? Doesn’t it have the slower turret drive? Idk what Thodins coping about rn
Stug IV would be peak to see tho
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What Swedish stug lol there isn’t one (yet)
Conplaining about anti-German bias because Finland has a… 1.3 floatplane with one extra cannon? And the Swedish air tree really needed the extra content from Finland anyway
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Guess the float plane must’ve been really OP, kinda like the non exists Swedish Stug that he mentioned. (Sure the Sturmi exits but it’s not in game) But I wonder if the swedish stug is in the room with us now
Sorry to say this, but compared to every other nation, the Leopard 2A7V is the most consistently durable in-game. Russian tanks can be troll, and the Abrams has a pretty good turret, but the only aspect of the Leopard that’s remotely bad is its mobility. The Leopard 2A7V is equal or better in every other aspect.
If you think the armor of the Leopard 2A7V is bad, please go play the Ariete, Merkava, ZTZ99, Challenger 2, Type 10, or Leclerc.
They also have the ju86s. Still not in Germany