The 2A7v is FAR from being the worst tank, armor is not well implemented, but other nations have way worst armor values being bad.
By example, the Type 10: The armor is following a derivative of the Type 90, and IRL it issues a harder type with the same weight; the transmission of it makes the Type 10 hp/ton good ratio useless, there are some saying that the Type 10 autoloader could be shooting at least the first round faster in a certain mode (± 1.5sec), with video proof, but since those can be easily falsified, War Thunder rules made those videos not good proof. Linked to this video .
The whole turret armor (cheeks, composite armor on the turret side not even existing in-game, gun mantlet that should have as much armor as the turret cheeks (rn 200+mm less)) is completely wrong in a way further point that the Leo 2A7. A 30mm APDS can eassily kill you in hull down.
For the visual side, suspensions aren’t the good ones, storage rack of the turret is from a prototype (it should be symmetrical ), …
Then there is the engine and steering that is atroscious, If you start a turn while accelerating (at the moment when the transmission should shift up), the driver (automation) drops the gear immediately to 1st, instead of holding the current one or downshifting by one gear (accepted 9 months ago).
It goes as well in neutral steering as soon as you want to turn, making the tank loose a gigantic amount of energy trying to stop.
The only good thing about it is the shell and the acceleration (that had to be fixed 2 years ago), and the headlights.
Maybe someone might explain why the Abrams UFP shatters all incoming darts, while Leopard UFP (even the uparmored ones) let them through to kill the tank. Even at ludicrously low angles.
Why Leopards have worst reload?
An that lethal turret deadzone along the rear hemishere? In a close quarter game like this??
Leopard tanks have some serious disadvantages. I named the three worst.
It’s like that for everyone :)
One is difficult to play because of the armor, the other is easy. Which one would a new player choose? Of course, the Russian vehicle. Have fun playing!
I made a mistake by choosing Germany.
Your personal stats between your Russian and German high-top tier vehicles aren’t that far off. Only the winrate is lower on your German tanks, but that is a whole different can of worms. So that really doesn’t disprove the skill issue argument lol.
Hell you barely going 1.0 in most of these supposedly “super good and easy to play” Russian MBTs only further proves the skill issue argument.
Yes, thats a fair point. Tho two of them are weaker, but its the same as with Germany.
So? The USSR’s best tank was added 5 years ago and still has no real competitors in the tree. Two T-90s are garbage, and BVM receiving buff of reload ONLY while using worse munitions, mind its best munition is also amongst worst of the top tier.
Yeah thats the issue of top tier: they dont balance air enough.
As you would be stupid to play USSR or USA as their top tiers are given away as much. THats the issue with main nations and copypastes, and the main reason i stand against clones EVEN if they somehow “add lineups”.
Tho. looking at it different way: cant experience Tigers, Panthers, Ferdinands apart from german tree. You can try french Panther or italian Tiger, but they would fight against germans and bring wrong experience. And swedish king tiger is largely unavaliable.
I would wish to keep it that way for all natiions, but i see your point.
There is only one abrams with anti-ERA dart added as i remember, so i position it on par firepower as Leopard 2a7. Other than that, Abrams on par with 2a6. One being better pen other having faster reload and worse protection
Some say that yes
Nah BMPT isnt as easy target as T-80 but its still gets oneshotted or disabled pretty easilly.
Spikes are FNF and they do bring kills which otherwise wont be possible. Yes, they arent AS reliable as, for example, Kornets, but then again they are FNF and they have the ability to shoot from closed position.
2A6 is as powerful and a bit more mobile and PSO is as survivable as 2a7, so i dont see a huge downgrade
Technically i agree, tho its mostly CAS which is unbalanced as whole
Thats a fair point tho i dont see how upgrading 2a7 would make up for that. I would vouch to make CAS weaker as whole at top tier if you wish but otherwise?
It doesnt 1to1 make up for that but war thunder tech trees are not 100% symmetric so when a tech tree is missing or lacking in a crucial capability then other parts have to make up for that. Just like russian CAS makes up for lacking russian MBTs, german MBTs could make up for lacking german CAS.
The best overall Abrams and T-Series tanks still are in their respective nations.
What is mostly given away is the planes their i agree.
For ARB this matters way less, since its 1 spawn either way.
There still is quite the difference in this situation between ground being spread, and a whole " line up " getting “ruined” or the planes being in other trees as well.
not as reliable is an understatement, honestly gajin adding MITL for ground vehicles likely would have been less problematic as the one coming for helis.
That would have made the spikes at least a tad bit better.
As its now spikes are only usefull against lights pretty much, mbts mostly results in critical,
Cause gajin isnt able to programm the top down well, (Tow 2b similary, completly gimped by gajin, since it would demolish T-series)
it is too, gajin gives it the same ammunition storage and spike ammount as the IFVS, but its not a troop transport, its a weapon platform to transport troops, supposed to use the internal space to keep additional ammunition, its a tank destroyer more if anything
thats not the promised DM rework, they talked about the armor disrepancies getting fixed.
