2A7HU have roof armor add-on, but i doubt its going to Germany, though we can give many Leopards with add-on roof armor if you count other Leo 2’s, like 2A6EX or 2E, for example.
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Damn no version of it? Sad having to move out the way of arty hurts
Yeah that will likely end up in the Italian tree
Depends if germany gets 2A7+, it could get roof armor, but currently in service is none with roof armor, future 2a8 should have it
Always amazes me people come up with these things.
Abrams noise level at 50 feet is the same as that of a Leopard 2.
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Comparison of Abrams and MTU engine very similar to the 873, note difference in measuring distance.
TF15 noise levels at 4m are actually the same (look at the blade passing frequency).
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Fuel tanks on Abrams and their bulkheads are accurate, UFP is also accurate (1.5" even for latest SEPv3).
Turret ring has always been a weak point on American tanks since M47, the M48 for example had it’s turret jammed from 12.7mm fire in testing.
While autocannons may not necessarily penetrate the turret ring like in WT (although I doubt it), they would most definitely jam the turret.
Edit: I should note that NONE of the BMPs in the Russian tree should get APDS let alone APFSDS…
Even right now in Ukraine they are just using AP, not once has there been an APDS round spotted for them.
Anti-ERA tip stuff would effectively make A3 only on par with L44 DM53 if it was implemented for both.
Not that they ever would, but oh well…
Abrams is always going to be relatively easy to kill due to the turret ring being ginormous and if they ever decide to fix the APFSDS ricochet behaviour it’s only going to get worse because the UFP will be swiss cheese for any 115mm APFSDS or bigger…
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Even with roof add-on it won’t change anything, the way Gaijin has it modelled right now anything overpressures the roof as it’s only 20mm thick, the composite roof add-on doesn’t really change that because of how poorly it’s modelled.
Strv 122s are still killed by 125mm HE, arguably even easier because you can just directly shoot the roof that is now sticking up…
The overpressure BS mechanic needs to be reworked completely or removed because it makes absolutely no sense.
The reason why CR2s are so “immune” to it is because their whole turret base structure is one cast piece which also seems to be thicker than it should be directly on the roof and just thick enough to withstand the overpressure BS.
Naturally 125mm HE has that 42mm pen, enough to “pen” or overpressure almost any NATO tank, but not other Soviet tanks ;)
faithful recreation or something, dunno i dont speak snail :D
Fuel tanks are fully enclosed and someone measured it up, directly at the port that there are actually 2 plates.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xK4GPBS59dUL
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1:35 model is better than Gaijin’s
The plastic model is in line with the actual neck protector as well:
Somehow only Gaijin got it wrong. To me it seems like half the issue is the fact the turret ring is portruding out too much.
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To be fair it’s also a pretty good overpressure spot for russian HE or even big enough missiles.
I overpressured one of the 122s that way with my ADATS a few weeks ago.
50/50 chance, we get better leos or we get Gaijined
I’d say the odds are more so 2/98 for us getting better leos to us getting gaijined.
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With that logic, 90% tanks rounds needed to fixed with HE, 5% HEAT, 5% APFSDS
PUMA/Bradley/Lynx also not needed to access to APFSDS.
And your source for this is? (I’m actually curious, I would actually like to read the source you have for this).
Back during the air superiority someone (can’t completely remember who, but if you read this, credit to you) did the same calculation stuff Gaijin uses on M829A3 and it gave 673mm 0° and around 393mm 60°. Range wasn’t specified, but I assume somewhere at close range.
Those are just the fuel cells themselves, not the bulkhead…
The filler caps are completely irrelevant as that is never just a clean hole, instead it’s a port (duh) with a locking ring and guide insert.
It’s the same reason why the area driver’s hatch looks thicker when the hatch is open, because there’s an internal “lip” that goes around the hatch for the locking mechanism and for sealing the hatch properly.
That doesn’t mean it’s actually thicker or two plates over that entire surface…
As you can see, the bulkhead is not very thick at all, not even an inch.
It doesn’t really need to be.
That’s a ridiculous conclusion, the fact of the matter is that you NEVER see APDS/APFSDS being used on BMPs because the APDS wasn’t even meant for the BMP and the APFSDS was never even bought.
Meanwhile we have plenty of evidence for Puma/Bradley/Lynx carrying APFSDS, we even have the common ratios in which they are used (usually around 2:1 HE to APFSDS).
That “700mm pen” APFSDS used during Swedish trials was a prototype LKE2 which eventually became DM53.
Considering the “normal” way to quote performance of APFSDS by Germany is the 2km value at 60°, that would give DM53 around 700mm at 2km from the L44.
That’s of course assuming they didn’t improve it a little bit in some way.
Regardless, the anti-ERA capability should give DM53 from L44 enough punch to defeat T-80U turret with K-5 out to a range of 2000m and with L55 this was increased to around 3300m (as per Rheinmetall brochure) or to around 4000m (as quoted in secondary sources).
M829A3 is quite a bit slower, about the same core length and uses it’s steel tip to get past the ERA, while DM53 uses another technique.
RHA penetration =/= effective performance, especially when dealing with complex armour.
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Now there are two options for Leopard enjoyer (me including) First continue playing German 2A7V with worst armor but better ammo and thermal and unbearable CAS as Tornado but for some miracle they still doing good or…
Switch to Sweden when they can offer more and better armor more armored Leopard better CAS too (i choose this option)
Pretty funny that the best Leopard 2 tank is still in Swedish tech tree but aside this. In 36 battles in 2A7V I have 81% einrate and 100+ kills …
Pretty funny that you can carry more laser guided ordinance on the new italian AMX that has a 3800kg max weight, than the Tornado that has a 9000kg max weight.
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What Tornado can do Gripen can do it better it can also carry four GBU faster turn better also can defense itself with 9M
- Because IRL, BMP/IFV mean to tranfser infantry into the battle field with the capability of dealing with armor vehicle and “supporting the infantry”, why does it need Armor Piercing rounds and wasting it, also, if you are a soldier in the battlefield, will you choose APFSDS while you just want to blast enemy trenchs full of men, the battle situation demand and make the request, not whatever you want to choose.
- Show me the evidence that IRL combat condition, they (PUMA/LYNX/Bradley) will bring that AP/HEI ratio. And from what you said, Gaijin not need to limit the ratio of BMP-2/2M AP rounds since they can all fires like normal, and you said that Russian never bought AP rounds ?. Nice, a man can even know what they purchased, like someone said Russian hate AK-12.