PSO is 3 - 6 months after the final country caught up with Germany tho.
So you agree that it’s a good addition.
Thodin, 3 - 6 months after the way too rushed 2A6 would’ve been 2 years before most countries caught up.
The thin strip of additional armour is in a place where you should avoid shooting anyway, if you need to take a snapshot you aim for the breech, and if you have a second to aim you go drivers optics. all that plate does is protect you from poorly aimed shots, which definitely can save you, but is not at all reliable. the 2A6 has sligtly better power to weight, has a considerably better round, and doesnt have the massive commander optic that gives away the position of the 122 when it plays hull down. You can say the rounds are similar, which they are, but the better pen on the 2A6 has 2 advantages that do really put it above the 122. the first one is that it generally increases the size of the weakspots you can shoot on other top teir vehicles, and often means that a shot that is slightly off will still penetrate, and the second is that because of the increased pen, it often does more post penetration damage and doesnt get caught up as much on internal/weird volumetric parts. Against a player in a good position who catches either tank off guard, or a good player who is accurate and shoots first, both tanks will die in one shot, and the small amount of extra armour means nothing, whereas when you are shooting at the enemy the 2A6 is more forgiving to mistakes and poorly placed shots. Its like the BVM argument. the truth is that the BVM is not the god tank people tout it as, and if it did not have the internal plate around the carousel that occasionally saves it, it would not be meta at all. just because it has armour in a commonly seen area, does not suddenly make up for all the other disadvantages it has. The lo and hi is that a good player can kill any top teir tank in one shot with any top teir tank, its the question of can you shoot him before he shoots you, and if you do shoot first, can you disable him with that one shot
İf you need this kind long argument in order to prove your point (which is wrong), it means you already Lost.
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Okay.
That dude should’ve been dead with the first hit, he died on the 4th instead, and nearly took me with him… “not meta” my ass, nerf that plate already so that BVM isn’t a literal dice roll.
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so much text to hide ru bias sad
there more then enough examples where t80bvm survives hits it shouldn’t and sends you back to hangar in return because “magic”
or should we call the child by the name ?
Russian handouts.
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My PSO always dies with one hit. Super spalling and no armor.
Because russian 3bm60 spalls like aphe…
It doesn’t
Its probably mainly the armor plate, which is set for a certain amount of spalling.
I dont think that thin plate can provide such great survivability.Clearly gaijin is biased towards it.
more like it shouldn’t
Funny how none of the responses to my comment actually addressed what i said, and are mostly people crying about russian bias
Cant say anything about other’s replies, thats their opinion.
But i do believe your argument is not true and doesnt represents what actual in game experience is.
Worst thing still is this:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ncMYvsutoHWu
The addon composite actually GUARANTEES a penetration instead of preventing it.
It’s worse than the regular 2A5 without the addon armor which is just ridiculous.
Shooting 2A5 on the hull roof is usually shatter / ricochet.
Shooting PSO on the hull roof is guaranteed pen.
Funny, I was addressing just one, singular point of yours - and you ignored that, so uh, special pleading much?
Now that I look back at what you said, you basically dumbed it down to “skill” and “shot placement”, well mine was perfect, I hit the carousel there 3 times and he survived 3 times - so the “and the small amount of extra armour means nothing” is wrong, and that small amount of extra armour saved that BVMs life three time in a row, allowing him to fire back and nearly kill me (and if his shot placement was just a tiny bit better, I’d have died and he would have lived, whereas my perfect hits were subject to actual RNG because of the armour plate deleting spall and the low ammunition detonation chance).
There is no point, but an excuse to add 800k RP to the game without adding anything in return whilst pretending RP was reduced and whilst pretending Germany hasn’t had it’s top tier ignored for years now.
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I also noticed this. You get killed with hits I’m not used to with the other Leopards.
Go and re-read what i said, and try a bit harder to understand. You also still didnt address anything i said about the PSO, and what happens to a T-80 does not translate to the PSO.
And here comes the angry. Man, you keep going on and on about how “nobody” addressed “anything” you said (even though they did address bits of what you said), honestly? Find a better retort, cus it actually seems like it’s you who needs to go back and re-read what I said.
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You completely ignored everything i said about the PSO, which is the topic of the thread, and only talked about the T-80. What i said was
All you did is show screenshots of that internal plate saving it, then say
Showing you clearly either didnt read what i said, or didnt understand it, because i never said it isnt meta. i said it wouldnt be meta without that plate, and youve just showed 3 screenshots of that plate working.