There’s nothing wrong with the Leopard 1’s BR the only problem is the 8.7 T-55 variants still remaining at 8.7 without being moved up to 9.0. The Leopard 1 would manage fine at 8.3 once those have been moved up.
->Leopard
->Armor
At 9.0 there’s T-62M1, and that 3BM28 put Abrams’s 105mm M779 to shame. The T-62M1 besides lacking APHE and a dogshit sight zoom, the T-62M1 IMO is vastly superior to the T-55AM1, it would be a little strange that they are in the same br.
I also have no idea why the zoom factor of the T-62M1 is worse than the ones on the T-62.
That’s more a symptom of 8.0->9.7 being crazy compressed. You go from unstabilized, poorly armored, and/or very immobile MBTs to fast, fully stabilized, LRF equipped MBTs that just aren’t in the same league. The fact that tanks like the Leo 1 and M60 can even see an XM-1 is just a joke.
Even just comparing 8.7 MBTs, there’s a massive gulf between vehicles like the T-62 and Chieftain 3/5, and stuff like the T-55AM-1.There’s room for another several BR steps within that bracket easily.
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This has to be a joke post right???
I still remember when the Leopard 1 was 7.3 and absurdly OP.
The Leopard 1 definetely deserves it’s current BR, this isn’t even a debate.
This seems more like a post from a Germany player who is encountering and becoming frustrated at the major playstyle change that occurs with late war to post-war German tanks. (i.e., a legit skill issue).
I played it a lot back when it was 7.3 I was getting nukes often with it. I don’t touch it anymore because of the 9.0 blackhole.
almost every NATO MBT at or around that BR have the exact same selection of rounds as the Leopard 1. the British 8.0 MBTs and the BR 8.3 STB-1 only have that APDS round, without even getting the HEAT.
This is not a problem unique to the Leopard 1. Besides, honestly as I am grinding through the 8.0 Centurion and Vickers myself currently, the APDS feels mostly fine.
I have also spaded both the Leopard 1, STB, and the M60A1 (which got even worse APDS stock, which I still found perfectly fine) - the Cent Mk10 and Vickers are both half done. Frankly of those tanks I wouldn’t consider the Leopard to be less effective than any of them.
Actually, out of all the stock tanks that come with APDS, the Chieftains Mk3/5 IMO is the easiest to spade, the main food source was T-54s and T-55s, almost always OHKO when you engage them from the front, the only thing I cannot stand is the engine, slow as fk, but the firepower is awesome, I would even rate the 120mm L15A3 performs better than the 100mm 3BM25 from T-55s. One thing I almost killed myself spading was the Vicker MK11 with stock HEATFS, that’s pain.
There is no scenario where the Leopard deserves to move to 7.7 before the M60 shouldn’t get to be moved down first. The Leo’s mobility is far more valuable than the M60 marginal armor increase and the tanks are identical otherwise.
That being said I’m not for either getting moved because they would slaughter 6.7.
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Yeah it is strange that it’s at 9.0 isn’t it
I get one hit killed by every one while I can barley do that. Most hits in front of enemies often doesn’t do enough damage to disable or even kill them. Therefore even if I manage to shoot first I get one shot right afterwards before I can get back into cover.
The ERA on the centurions? don’t think those actually do anything useful in it’s BR unless you’re mainly using HEATFS
You have similar ability to one shot compared to most nations.
As I stated to you earlier, you have the exact same gun and exact same choice of rounds as every other NATO MBT at that BR.
If you are having that issue with the Leopard (which you shouldn’t, that gun and even APDS round are both fine) then you will have that problem with all NATO MBTs, which means its not any worse than them anyway.
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I have spaded the Vickers Mk.1, and aced it. I would say that it’s much better than the Leopard I, with the Leopard I only being better at flanking.
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I’ve half spaded the Vickers (currently grinding, along with the Centurion 10), and have spaded the Leopard, M60A1, STB-2, and Type 74C (and the T95E1 for what its worth).
I don’t think the Vickers is any better than the Leopard. Or any of the other NATO MBTs really. Not enough to warrant the Leopard being a lower BR. Its better at some things but much worse at others.
could be worse, you could be a T-54 with a 7 degree turret traverse, no depression, no stab, no reverse speed, and a longer reload also at 8.0.
Also, just for more comparisons (though I havent played these tanks) the OF-40, AMX-30, M60, Magach 5, Magach 6A, and aforementioned T-54 1949/51 are all at 8.0 and all lack Stabs.
infact only the Vickers, various Centurion platforms, and Type 69 are at 8.0 and have a full stab. (Type 59 has a low speed stab, similar to Shermans)
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I still remember when the Leopard 1 was 7.3 and absurdly OP.
Not on this planet, never happened.
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Must have been asleep when it happened then, because the Leo at 7.3 definitely bullied WW2 heavies and Mediums
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76mm Jumbo made relatively light work against it (at least at close range).
As long as the WW2 manages to get guns on the Leopard I, it’s almost a guarantee that it would be able to kill it (unless they bounce, which the Leopard’s armour for whatever reason happens quite often).
The Leopard I, on the other hand, has the better mobility and usually has the better gun handling (as well as having the penetration) to deal with any WW2 vehicle.
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My dude it armor was weak even when it was at 7.3 lmao