The 105mm centy is unironically one of my favorite tanks, simply because of just how good 105mm apds is.
Strv 104 is the goat though
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It is, makes me realize that how bad the 84mm in comparison and they are only .3 br apart, that thing constantly shouts non-pen when it sees the slightest slope and the shell shatters before the tank even leaves the hangar. Israel has a bunch of them too, I’m using them to get to the Hydra now lol make things more bearable.
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If it wasn’t for that much more effective gun mantlet, the Cent Mk 3 and Caernavon would be lower in BRs.
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The l7 is a really good gun, the soviet 100mm is shit. Ammo choice is awful, you’re stuck basically with a ww2 shell that doesn’t have good penetration values and loves to bounce and a very bad apds and heat-fs, the chinese apds is basically unusable imo, the heat is barely functional.
if it wasnt at the most compressed part of that BR id play it more as I love the thing too
Except that APHE will kill the majority of tanks from the front.
Even when it has trouble → Tank turns 30° → Easy one shot kill
Not to mention that a lot of vehicles simply don’t that much penetration to be killed in the first place.
APDS might just go through an SPAA or SPG without taking it out, while APHE is almost always a one shot.
The ammo choice is also far from aweful when you can choose between APHE, APDS and HEAT-FS.
In fact, if the Leopard had APHE, it would become so much more effective.
With high velocity APDS and HEAT-FS, the Leopards ammunition is made for long range sniping and not flanking, where APHE would be so much more effective, since you simply don’t need the penetration.
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And when you end up going against one of those decently armored enemies, you’ll have to aim while your armor will be paper to their APDS. Mind you, this is with even more powerful APHE found on Object 140.
APHE is surely better for side shots, but let’s not forget we’re talking about 105mm L7 APDS. From my experience that thing spalls just like early darts. That being said, I believe APDS is the king of versatility at that BR, of course just behind darts.
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Are you joking?
Not even close:
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Sometimes I had the apbc bounce on marders and do no damage, it also bounces on leopard turrets and hull sometimes, it’s unreliable, besides if you stamble across a tank with actual armor you’re basically screwed.
105mm APDS wouldn’t be eaten by it’s UFP.
M60s, M48s, Cents, Chinese tanks, OF-40, Magachs and not to mention heavies will all make problems to the APHE.
What we gonna do now, aim at cupola while your tank is paper in return ?
I won’t even post APHE performance against T-series, as I don’t want to humiliate it that much.
APHE will have the most spalling for obvious reasons, but thinking 100/105mm APDS behaves like a needle is far from truth.
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So you arguing that on one hand, you don’t need to aim to pen, but at the same time you do need to aim to inflict damage.
Just because the round can one shot a tank, doesn’t mean it will in general, unless you hit at exactly the right spot.
APHE requires less aim to inflict damage but more aim to penetrate, the exact opposite is the case with APDS.
Except that the advantage is in favour of APHE, because tanks will at most be resistant from the front.
And I bounced HEAT-FS on Soviet paper SPGs and BMPs. Does that make HEAT-FS worse because APHE wouldn’t have bounced due to the overmatch mechanic?
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That difference in spalling will be mostly noticeable on full side shots, where APHE is a clear winner.
Not all engagements will be happening from that aspect though and this is where APDS takes advantage over APHE.
Those right spots are pretty big and very easy to hit. It’s quite convenient that most tanks on one side will have 3 crew members lined up, and on the another side you’ll always find ammo.
That being said, if a person struggles to aim slightly in order to ensure OHKs with APDS, I’ll argue they’ll struggle to even score a penetrating hit in the first place with APHE against plenty of foes. I won’t even talk about “final boss” vehicles like heavies and T-series copies where APHE will be at a huge disadvantage.
As far as I’m concerned, APHE is a much less versatile round than APDS, which is further amplified by the pretty poor platform it’s on. T-54s are known to have sub-par gun handling and gun depression, so not only you’ll have to aim better, the aiming process in general will be slower.
All in all, Leopard I is definitely better than piss poor T-54s that have APHE as a main selling point, which is on it’s own a situational pick.
80/90 percent of the time with 105mm L7 I can aim center-mass and kill them.
Its not hard.
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lets just be honest guys , these 7.7-8.0 tanks are just bad because on slight uptiers they get outmatched by everything …
the leo 1 is fine by itself just like any other leopard , but once you start getting those uptiers in your face you feel that the tank is bad (fighting stablized lazer rangefinder stuff is not fun with this), the leopard from what i’ve played with is only a long range tank , if you try to rush your gonna die 100% of times , you might get a kill or two but your most likely to be killed due the lack of armor and stablizer .
the russian counterpart t54 is on a similar situation with the only upside being the armor wich means it will perform better on close range where you can angle and bounce shots on corners but yet your gonna be obliteraded on uptiers, the aphe thing well i’ve not used the tank but it seems fine to me they have a decent pen aswell as incredible good post pen damage , tbh outside of here i’ve never seen anyone complain about both of those guns (the leo l7 and the russian D10)
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Leo’s only advantage is his mobility, there are no others. As you can see, the tank does not have any armor, it is simply a sponge that absorbs everything. In addition, its gun, stabilization is pathetic, it takes xxx seconds for the gun to position itself at the right moment, and most of the time it takes only 2 seconds to fire a shot. For me, the XM800T tank is a nightmare - it’s a cancerous tank that eats everything it likes. Leo’s missiles are a joke…
Let’s ignore APDS, it’s a pathetic missile…
HEATFS is one of the most dangerous weapons in the game due to the map model. The bullet needs a clean line of fire where virtually every map has millions of objects or bushes, as if an unsatisfied botanist was designing the maps. This is why bullets are useless.
Overall, I have the impression that the change from 6.7 to 8.0 is a tragedy and no fun in the game because of, for example, XM800T…
The only thing left to do is to cross this path and hope that the game will be better on 9.0… Maybe I’m making some mistakes, but unfortunately this brother. in Germans it is tragic
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105mm APDS is a great shell
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can conform, the 105 APDS is defo preferable to the HEATFS
Blame gaijin for that BR compression. I want to be able to play lower BR tanks without having a highly mobile MBT with high pen apds/heatfs negating any advantage the lower BR tank has.
The leopard one is one of the better 8.0 tanks, and moving it down means you need to remove many 8.0 tanks down as well, which just recompresses the game.
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Leopard at 8.0 is decent, I think that the a1a1 and 1a5 are worse, the a1a1 could be easily 8.7
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Yeah the a1a1 moving to 9.0 a while back never made sense to me since the Tam was just better in everyway. I think the 1A5 is alright and decent for 9.3 with other similar vehicles that have thermals.
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