I don’t like the 1a5, I think it’s just a one trick phony, peaking and shooting from an hill is the only thing it’s good at
Leo 1A5 plays like a slightly slower TAM 2IP at 9.3. Just dont get hit and you’re fine since you can pen most things you see
A1A1 does get stock sabot instead of stock HEAT, which is just way better
Eh, i compare it to other 9.3 tanks with tje same gimmick and the mobility is a huge factor. Being able to reverse at a decent speed essentially makes the 1A5 one of the few effective hill peakers lol. I agree its not a great gameplay loop but it is what it is. Some tanks have pretty meh strengths and gimmicks. Though the A1A1 shouod never have left 8.7 for 9.0, that is just a dumb change imo and now its ruined one of my favorite german lineups at 8.7, id like to see the A1A1 move down to 8.7
True but spaded performance is a bigger factor imo. I can work with heat until i get sabot
indeed the reverse speed is awesome on the leopard, its one of the things that makes me at least feel usefull on some situations , but since you depend on long range maps for you to be effective i can understand why the hate on the 1A5, specialy that the german one doesn’t get the lws while the italian does aswell as your fighint much better armored vehicles such as the 72’s and 80’s.
And I agree with the idea of the A1A1 moving down to 8.7 , it is awfull at 9.0 , I gave up on the A1 right after I got the A5 only using it till i got more vehicles to complete my lineup
Yeah but if you look at 8.0 Italy it has OF-40 which is arguably is better then Leopard 1A1 because it has a laser rangefinder and a smoke shell. don’t get me started on the armor it has 5 more mm of armor on the side then the leopard and better turret armor.
I feel like it would be fine moving it down to 8.3 or 8.0 because 1A1 is worse then OF-40 and there is M48A2 G A2 with better armor and the same gun plus a the XM800T wouldn’t insta kill you.
The OF-40 doesn’t get the dart that the 1A1 gets. That makes a massive difference.
yes but the dm23 pens less then the dm13 dart, plus the OF has a laser rangefinder which only 1A5 gets.
To be fair Leopard 1 has less armor then the Panther D, A, G, F. So the bad part is that you can’t rely on your armor to protect you against an auto cannon from the front. (The Russian T-10M’s 14.5mm Heavy MG can pen you when you angle and even your side and turret)
Its the abundance of autocannon vehicles + small maps. This thing has no chance.
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The problem I currently see with the Leopard 1 is the same one that affects many Br8.0 tanks: there are too many Br8.7 and 9.0 tanks equipped with lasers, APDS-FS, stabilizers, and even thermal imagers. I think it would be a good time to better balance the tanks and separate them, making the current top-tier Br14.0 tanks, and then gradually replacing the Br tanks and adding more balanced tanks to fill the resulting gaps.
Br Compression is the root of dare I say most lroblems War Thunder has.
The maps are to small for Leooard 1. It’s a mobile sniper and can not brawl for the life of it.
In combination with small funky prototypes with fast firing cannons or just IFV’s and SPAA’s with autocannons therr is little yoi can do on many maps.
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Yes, keep in mind that the game’s problems are like a snowball effect; one problem is created to try and solve another, and we end up with two. The damage model, penetrations, volumetrics, and small maps all cause many tanks to have incorrect Battle Ratings, which is why this game is beyond repair, since it would be easier to release War Thunder 2.
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Ironically I don’t think a single German Leopard has a positive winrate. 36.5% is pretty bad though.
Is it really a fault with the vehicle? It’s very similar to the Vickers Mk 1 and AMX-30. The only downside compared to the Vickers Mk 1 is really the lack of stabiliser, compared to the AMX-30 the only downside is the lack of a 12.7mm. Whereas the Leopard 1 has a lot of upsides to both of them.
The AMX-30 which has very similar performance and is solely reliant on the 400mm HEAT has a 18.1% higher global winrate.
To be fair that’s the stats for the premium the tt has worse stats, still have 17% higher win rate tho and much higher kd/ks as well, that being said the german teams are just terrible at 8.0 you can just look at the stats of the clovis or df105.
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German players jumping from slow, highly armored heavies to fast, unarmored MBTs that quickly doesn’t help either.
It really doesnt, when i recently spaded the leopard it was like by myself, the only games that i won were basically me killing half of the enemy team