german players in WWII BRs are utter garbage, what do you expect? good win rates?
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Not quite the same.
And player skill is one of them. Mid tier German players are some of the worst out there, and they are the reason why German stuff was undertiered for so long.
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They haved it, until Gaijin decided the allies need more handouts.
Not worst than the others. The only diference are certain BRs, lineups and things like anti no skill CAS for example.
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Here’s what determines tank quality:
Normalized silver lions earned on average.
Normalized meaning removing bonuses from premium or its economic modifiers, boosters.
This is what Gaijin balanced things upon, nothing else. They literally said this.
I do not think this is a viable balancing strategy as it leads to a lot of really absurd undertiering for american due to mis-use.
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I remember spading Leopard I years ago when it was IIRC 7.3 and that APDS basically shredded things in one hit without an issue.
Vickers Mk.1 is probably the best 8.0 out there because of it’s stabilization, reload speed and the ability to shoot the good APDS.
That being said, it doesn’t mean Leopard I is suffering at 8.0, there are clearly worse vehicles at the same BR, just look at T-54s lol.
I’m talking like 2016 or something.
That being said, it doesn’t mean Leopard I is suffering at 8.0, there are clearly worse vehicles at the same BR, just look at T-54s lol.
T-54s also seem really boring but seem like pretty solid all round vehicles though, only the turret rotation really sucks so you have to steer with the tank more.
While it says its 185, volumetric makes it about 170, i remember just because one day i penned a tiger 2H through the turret with the M26 aphe and was kinda surprised. I need to check again but i believe when viewing the thickness with M82 it says its only 170, maybe M82 got buffed regardless ill need to double check.
Think there might be a small bit on the right side that is like 160 where the optics are, no idea why tho.
Try it again then, that APDS is pretty good and will easily OHK those small, cramped tanks at 8.0.
More like sub-par all around.
Meh mobility with awful gun handling, gun depression and reload speed.
It has some armor but it will only save you from autocannons and full caliber AP rounds found in downtiers. Other than that, it’s armor is paper thin and APDS will cut through it like it’s nothing.
Some people like to mention it’s APHE but that’s a double edged sword. Yes, you will OHK easier than with APDS, but as soon something more armored shows up you’re screwed.
I enjoy playing the Leopard 1. It has very good mobility and powerful gun. It is very good for flanking and outmanoeuvering other tanks. I don’t rely on its armour. Plus its optical zoom is great.
It is at the right BR at 8.0, not too low though or it would be too powerful and not higher.
Its armor isnt paper thin APDS just pens a shit ton, its like the entire point of APDS
This is why I said:
It has some armor but it will only save you from autocannons and full caliber AP rounds found in downtiers. Other than that, it’s armor is paper thin and APDS will cut through it like it’s nothing.
T-54s are literal paper to things like HEAT-FS, APDS or darts, same deal as the Leopard I basically.
I was just trying to say that there are worse mediums at 8.0 than Leopard I so moving it down isn’t an option.
I think individual player skill is equal all across the board, the mayor factor that determines WR will always be lineups and vehicle performance. I just hate saying “X group of people is the reason Y sucks”. It is just toxic.
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As if the other Leopard 1 were good. Both the a1a1 and 1a5 are ass in my humble opinion. The armor is ass, the mobility is ass, the thermals are ass, they just have a gun, just a gun and that’s it. I bought the l/44 and hated every minute playing it.
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I dont suppose narrow maps and huge chunks of time out zone help a fast flanking lightly armored vehicles much. Gaijin made many of it’s own line up redundant by stupid map reworks.So you have a fast tank? where the hell are you meant to go in it?
You fly out to the flank and find yourself in with 25 seconds to imminent death,game over !!
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Armor is pretty bad. Mobility is on par with most contemporaries. At 9.3 having thermals on your medium tank is pretty good, considering many lack that feature completely.
I find the mobility to be underwhelming for a tank with such ludicrous armor, it’s really slow to accelerate especially off-road, Idk maybe gayjin got it wrong, It’s called leopard but in-game the mobility is T-72 like, except for the reverse speed and neutral steering. The gun traverse and turret traverse are also pretty bad. The armor configuration is definitely bad but the ammo storage is worse, right in front of the hull and that means that any shot there will kill you instantly, pretty stupid choice. The amx-30 can store ammo in the back of the turret up to 19 or something and that sometimes makes a big difference in survivability.
Yeah, you’ll find tanks that have better gun handling like XMs but 1A5 has pretty standard gun handling for a 9.3 medium tank.
In my opinion 1A5 is a pretty balanced tank at 9.3, it’s nothing special but surely isn’t a bad tank objectively.
Untill you face an leo2a4 , t80, t90 …
Also the advantage of the leo which is the great mobility is inexistent on 9.0 above since everyone will be as fast or faster than you…
Anyways the leo1 at 8.0 is at least for me, it is much better than The a1 or the a5 at 9.0 and 9.3 having in the same techtree the TAM at lower br with similar/better armament and better mobility feels a bit weird tbh