Glazing over the APFSDS that has the same performance as DM13, not sure Germany gets to complain about vehicles at 8.3 with the stabilised autoloading coaxial autocannon prototype abomination.
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So what should be done?
You have to use the strengths,
Its FAST, get to positions quickly, the mantlet and turret are surprisingly trolly, with leopards bouncing 120mm APDS.
You arent stabilised but with a good crew you can shoot on the move.
You play it like a light/rat tank
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the actual problem with the leo is this shit BR compression , but there are worse cases like the t95e1 at 8.3 for no reason , he has no stablizer and a worse cannon so its pretty bad too .
I can see the leo at 7.7 but when it gets an full downtier it would be too strong , since its a very powerfull gun against the heavy tanks witch the armor would get melted by his gun .
The armor sucks too so you can even be pen in the front by some ifvs like the bmp 2 etc , but the tank seems alright even tho im not a huge fan of this very passive playstyle .
In my opinion 8.0 germany is pretty weak compared to other nations but the low win rate probaly comes more from the brainrot players then the actual lineup…
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people here arent that smart you should say “weak by spec”
technically it is weak because it’s competitor has something better
Play French 7.7 and 8.3 and you will reconsider your opinion about Germany …
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waht? french solid shot at that BR is crazy OP and the auto loader is faster than most tank
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Leopard 1 is only weak because of compression. It is a fine tank on its own and would deserve 8.0 if most of its competition weren’t stabilized dart slingers with composite armor / good mobility. It shouldn’t go down to 7.7, though.
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Blame premium players the Leopard is entering the 8.3-8.7 premium power creep.
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Leopard should be on 7.7 or 7.3 not at 8.0 while the OF-40, Type 69, IKV 91, ZTZ59D1 and STB (granted STB and ZTZ59D1 are 8.3 but still) which are better tanks in everyway (except slight mobility advantages towards the Chinese ones) are 8.0 - 8.3 aswell. That LRF alone on these tanks should make them differ atleast by +0.3 - 0.4 BR
(Yes i know the 8.0 Vickers suffers even more then the Leopard but its a Leopard thread and the French AMX-30 has its 20mm pewpew and its ammo is protected by its fueltank which according to War Thunder logic counts as spaced armour)
Honestly, no.
The problem is the malignant disease known as IFVs and HEAT/APDS-spewing armored cars which do its job better than it. Combined with terrible gun handling that takes forever for the gun to stop wobbling after stopping moving, as well as the obnoxiously loud engine that makes Russian tanks look quiet, it’s problem is that it is simply made redundant even in a full “downtier.”
Regularly fighting upgraded starter MBTs with stabilizers, thermals, missiles, or all three only makes it more painful.
The only way you can really “balance” the Leopard 1, AMX-30 and OF-40 is by such extreme decompression that none of those respective glass cannon MBTs can ever dream of seeing a BMP-1/2/3, Marder, Bradley, or any other tin can that refuses to die after being overpenned five times.
Yes, I hate the IFV plague that much to where I semi-regularly take the SAV up to 8.0-9.0 to annihilate them, since 95mm pen APHE on a 1.2 sec reload doesn’t care if you overpen with one when five more can be slung downwind instantly.
The Ikv 91 is worse than the Leo 1. The first amx 30 is also equivalent or worse than it.
The Leo 1 is fine at 8.0.
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No lmao, stop asking for your MBT to be undertiered.
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This is just a “too bad” situation due to be compression.
The leopard 1 is just too high in br that it will faces 9.0 tanks like early stage current day mbts and just too low that any lower and it will fight late ww2 tanks which it just shouldn’t be fighting. It’s just that at this stage Germany trades armor for mobility and weaponry which can get taking used to if you’ve been playing German ww2 heavies and TDs. (Pretty much what it seems like everyone been talking about in this thread). br compression just ruins some tanks nothing u can do about it.
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Bruh the OF-40 is undertiered in comparison to the Leo 1 like literally OF-40 same tier better “armour” has a Laser Range Finder but i guess the 3° faster turret traverse makes the Leo 1 superior in your opinion
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No the IKV 91 has almost the same power to weight ratio as the Leo 1 better reload speed and a god damn Laser Range Finder only downside to the IKV 91 is that it CAN be penned by 50. cal on some parts of the front and it doesnt have APDS
I am aware the OF-40 is better. That said, both fit into their current BR (8.0) better than either does at 7.7 or 8.3. We need decompression.
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But it has a very slow round, and it’s armour is very weak. Being penned by a .50 is a huge deal when many tanks it faces has them.
I think we should compare some numbers here. Lets ask Thunderskill.com
Leopard 1: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/germ_leopard_I
Winrate: 40%
T-55A: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/ussr_t_55a
Winrate: 56%
M60A1: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/us_m60a1
Winrate: 51%
T54E1: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/us_t54e1
Winrate: 58%
IS-4M: https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/ussr_is_4m
Winrate: 55%
So we have a hugh gap here. And the average german player experienced a disadvantage compard to the other nation. Does anyone now still wanna argue with “skill issue” and blame the majority of players for being “too bad”?
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Yes, me. Because from my experience with German teams BR 5.3+, they really are that bad. There is a reason why there are severe stereotypes surrounding them. And to be fair, this pattern appears at all nations where there are iconic and “legendary” vehicles (American aircraft for example). People who are inexperienced tend to flock to these vehicles. German WW2 vehicles and beyond tend to entice most with a vague interest in military history. It’s really not that complicated to explain why this happens.
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