Thunderskill denied come mostly from Allies mains, in the past rejected as a valid source because clearly show how germans tanks are under low BRs meanwhile the allies combo (USA, UK and Sovs) are in the opposite way.
Right now once again Gaijin buried the mid german ranks thanks a mix of removal of long range sniping positions and maps, constant german spaa nerfs plus more and more alllies CAS additions and of course the last BR changes are created a brutal holes in the german tech tree.
And before someone comes with the typical “bad german players” or “TS is not valid” here the win ratios difference between today and one year ago.
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The conversation is countering the belief you have which is “GB + USA v DE” is/was a permanent position, when I pointed out the MM is now unlocked. Your repetition of this shows you do not understand that ALL mixes of nations in these BRs is a constant thing. Something TS does NOT show as we do not know which BR, which nations teamed with, which nations versed, amongst so much more important information, nor does it show WHEN this was obtained. M48 was added 2019 during 1.91.
I do not understand how you do not know GB, USA and DE can all team together; completely missing from charts of “individual nations” win rate heat maps.
“TS has always shown trends correctly” is not accurate.
My point of have you used them relates to “when statistics were acquired”, knowing very well you have not to any degree after the time you had issue with such vehicles, going by old forum discussions I recall.
You just jumped to a conclusion that you have no evidence for. “Clearly”? No. Now I will say I get the feeling they were around a similar time, I think i was wrong about the M48 being after the MM unlock but as you say we cannot fully recall yet. So on that singular area it might well effect the performance at that time, but not truly knowing the reason. I believed the MM unlock came to remove the silly “Axis v Allies” debates that were probably taken over a bit by people with a nation chip on their shoulder, however this appeared to create its own issue with popular nations like USSR and DE having some very heavily-led teams (if not solely one nation) and Germany losing their link to Italy which provided such teams with a few vehicles benefiting such teams (certain lights and TDs Germany does not have).
Which is irrelevant since he is talking to an all nation player, the victimhood division of “Allies/Axis” is not helpful in a game that for the most part is a mix of nations per side, or do people see regular matches with any of these nations solo:
Italy
GB
Sweden
Japan
France
China
Israel
Which therefore means none of these nations have statistics of who they were with at the time. These Heat maps are a source of information but also flawed. Majority of the nations/BRs the teams are not just one nation outside of USA/USSR/Germany having dominant positions (numbers) within teams due to popularity.
However, the conversation was about German M48 position and who they faced/face. That was what was being discussed, not TS statistics. I have not been able to trawl through exactly when the MM was unlocked which will be in the old forum somewhere.
It is sad people do not understand what is meant by the 3 major nations having more population meaning they are more “likely” to have poorer quality players in matches (remembering that each player might also use every other nation in other matches). There are those that might have a real issue with a nation (as in bigotry), but that does not change the fact that these nations are more likely to have average stats effected by a much larger population using these vehicles.
When you see many players unable to get positive k/d in things like Jumbo, PzIVs (long gun), Tigers, Panthers, and in fact almost any vehicle, and they appear to be more locked into one of the main nations, you do wonder how much they effect the overall performance of nations and their vehicles.
It should not be below or equal to the Maus.
And no, it’s not a weak tank. I should know since I’ve got 390 games in it, which mostly came from when I was inexperienced. The tank is about as armored as a Panther with extremely good mobility and a great selection of shells. The rangefinder guarantees you’ll almost never miss the first shot at any range and the mobility means you can exploit any position you want comfortably before the enemy team can properly fight you.
You’re essentially an armored light tank. Nothing is out of your reach. You’re Firepower and Mobility is nearly unmatched. What exactly are you missing out on?
A lot comes down to personal playstyles/how individuals approach each match and their nations/lineups.
For some these vehicles open up new ways to effect battles (due to speed and changes in armor/rounds), for others it is a pain as they are used to approaching maps in certain ways which do not gel with different vehicles they used to play (narrowing of map areas and positions appears to have reduced what one can do with vehicles now anyway).
The main gripe I had seen was at this BR many have stabilisers allowing for particular playstyles to blossom. The Leo has the speed to get into a position, the ones with stabs have the gun stability but slow (in comparison) to get to positions meaning a different approach. Though this is just a small element.
Also the irony is some complain about the problems with HEAT-FS and APDS, which about one BR lower has all the complaints HEAT-FS is too strong and with APDS the complaints they can pen tanks APHE can’t (APDS being on a wide ride of performance over the years, from OP to meh to OP to meh).
Of course the targets changing at various BRs has something to do with this due to armor/speed metas, but it is still only 1-2 BR away going from supposedly game breaking/too strong to “not that great”. Depending on what someone is trying to argue at the time.
(could be worse, could have 20 vehicle all at 8.3 due to the decompression without decompression attempts)
I have started using the leopard 1 and it seemed quite correct in Br 8.0. Using it almost from stock and with the APDS a Br 8.0 seemed more than correct to me, the only drawback that could be attributed to it is not exactly due to its Br, it would be more due to the fact that some tanks
in Br 8.7 and 9.0, such as the T-55 AM-1 and AMD, they have a lower Br than they should, since in general the Br should be separated more.
In summary, the lepard 1 with APDS facing tanks with Br seems to be well balanced works correctly.
The conversation is countering the belief you have which is “GB + USA v DE” is/was a permanent position.
in the time of the M48 it was impossible for Germany to be matched with them.
So on that singular area it might well effect the performance at that time, but not truly knowing the reason.
Gaijin has stated that UK and US vehicles were the most common enemy of the German M48, whilst the American M48 faced German and Russian vehicles.
Even if it was not outright restricted, it still had a clear preference for this matchup.
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M48A2 is beast mode tank.
Strong armour and high velocity HEAT-FS.
Yes please.
Great for USA and great for Germany.
Patton ftw
Yep, they state the reason for the MM unlock there, which is not as you initially described.
There is no Allies/Axis anymore.
But thanks, 2021 must be the unlock year, good to confirk.
Yep, they state the reason for the MM unlock there, which is not as you initially described.
What? You’re the one who was claiming this happened way before and that the nation lock was removed in 2019 or something.
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Yes, I was incorrect about the time of events.
I said, afterwards, that M48 was added in 2019. Your delving corrected my mistake thinking MM was unlocked earlier.
What I am saying is the MM was not unlocked to correct Germanys win rates, as I believe you said further up, and your post confirms this by stating it makes the MM work easier.
See here ^^
What you linked from the forum shows this to be not the reason, yes?
Those changes made it possible for Germany to be paired with nations it was not able to pair with before, whilst it’s not outright stated and it’s called simplifying the work of the matchmaker, the goal seems obvious as that was the main issue with MM.
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Wheeled, and higher BR too
Speed is all they have
Wheeled.
Higher BR
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French tanks versus T-54/55 is painful. Most shots will just bounce. Leopard? hardly. APDS and HEATFS will lolpen. Leopard even still stands a chance against T-55AMD, with composite armor.
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You’re joking right? The Leopard 1 is more than fine at its BR.
They can still easily kill them from the side, since they have much better mobiilty and turret traverse.
The 100mm can also penetrate a T-54 through the turret, either from close range or further when the turret is angled.
It’s also irrelevant. A team might have 4-5 French tanks and the enemy 6-10 Soviet, while the rest of the teams are made up by other nations.
So 1 vs. 1 comparisons nowadays make even less sense than before.
Armor doesn’t get you kills, it just has a chance to safe you from getting killed, but so does not getting shot in the first place.
lol average German main suffers from sudden transform from armour to paper
Honestly just put in a 8.3 your get a lot more down tiers.
A bunch of things (looking at you T-54’s) are weak at 8.0. It is a matter of compression. The Leopard was moved up was because of the heavy tanks meta which needed decompression. Moving it down will negate the reason to move it up at the first place.
Terrible argument. Not only does “just flank bro” not apply to the heavier slower ones like Somua or Surbaisse, half the maps ingame are made so the flanking routes are out of bounds. “autoloader too OP”