Neither have stabilizers, they should both be 8.3 unless you want to remove DM23 from one or the other.
What are you smoking the magach is already bad at 8.0 lol, both should be 8.0.
Laughs in Chieftain mk3 at 8.7…
It and the M48A2 GA2 are equivalents of each other. One has added protection, the other has slightly better mobility. They both have DM23, but one is lower than the other, that being the Magach.
None of them have stabs. They both have DM23 and are based on the M48 Patton. However, the Magach gets ERA, which is a huge upgrade at this BR considering the amount of vehicles that rely on HEAT, and the IFVs that can only kill tanks with shaped charges ATGMs.
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Exactly, it should be lowered tbh.
Then you would need to lower almost every single other 8.0 MBT, which is just recompressing the 7.0-8.0 bracket.
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just extend ground to 13.0 like air
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But again no stab with a terrible chassis, huge slow and with lackluster armor, so both should be 8.0, after all you acknowledge they’re basically the same tank so I don’t see any reason to bring one down and other up, btw I don’t think Israel has any 8.3 tanks to go with the magach 5 if it gets up tiered
14.0 would be even better. We have a few different spots in the tech tree that are too compressed, and so far Gaijin’s “solution” has just been to shift the point of compression around to different BRs without ever actually decompressing things.
ERA makes a huge difference, and the armor is at least workable and offers you defense against autocancers and and bounce some shells.
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8.0s are mostly shit, one of the worst br to play IMO, and centurion with 105mm might not have been half bad because two plane stab, same weapon as Leopard 1 with better turret proteccction, the only thing that is dogshit is the sight zoom, engine feels like its using the same as m48/magach but slightly slower.
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Yeah, after they decrompressed 6.7-7.7, 7.7 and 8.0 uptiers are just a nightmare.
We go from post-war medium tanks, which for the most part don’t even have stabilizers, immediatly to laser rangefinder and APFSDS by just 0.3-0.7 BRs.
They also did the same with Jets.
The 105mm centy is unironically one of my favorite tanks, simply because of just how good 105mm apds is.
Strv 104 is the goat though
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It is, makes me realize that how bad the 84mm in comparison and they are only .3 br apart, that thing constantly shouts non-pen when it sees the slightest slope and the shell shatters before the tank even leaves the hangar. Israel has a bunch of them too, I’m using them to get to the Hydra now lol make things more bearable.
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If it wasn’t for that much more effective gun mantlet, the Cent Mk 3 and Caernavon would be lower in BRs.
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The l7 is a really good gun, the soviet 100mm is shit. Ammo choice is awful, you’re stuck basically with a ww2 shell that doesn’t have good penetration values and loves to bounce and a very bad apds and heat-fs, the chinese apds is basically unusable imo, the heat is barely functional.
if it wasnt at the most compressed part of that BR id play it more as I love the thing too
Except that APHE will kill the majority of tanks from the front.
Even when it has trouble → Tank turns 30° → Easy one shot kill
Not to mention that a lot of vehicles simply don’t that much penetration to be killed in the first place.
APDS might just go through an SPAA or SPG without taking it out, while APHE is almost always a one shot.
The ammo choice is also far from aweful when you can choose between APHE, APDS and HEAT-FS.
In fact, if the Leopard had APHE, it would become so much more effective.
With high velocity APDS and HEAT-FS, the Leopards ammunition is made for long range sniping and not flanking, where APHE would be so much more effective, since you simply don’t need the penetration.
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And when you end up going against one of those decently armored enemies, you’ll have to aim while your armor will be paper to their APDS. Mind you, this is with even more powerful APHE found on Object 140.
APHE is surely better for side shots, but let’s not forget we’re talking about 105mm L7 APDS. From my experience that thing spalls just like early darts. That being said, I believe APDS is the king of versatility at that BR, of course just behind darts.
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