The big issue is the current map design. Back in the day Leopard 1 was a rather mobile sniper.
These days in WT it is forced to fight at ranges below 800 meters and that is a somewhat optimistic estimate already.
In real life Leopard 1 would not attempt to do so.
At those ranges Leopard 1 and AMX 30 do struggle.
It isn’t. It’s fast, but your optics suck - 8-16x is way overkill and makes it infuriating to use at any distance shorter than 800m as even the lower 8x zoom is far too much. The HEAT-FS velocity is subpar for that level of zoom.
At the same BR you can find the OF-40, with better protection, comparable mobility, and an LRF.
The STB and Type 74C are HUGE upgrades. A .50cal, stab, lrf, much better turret protection, and adjustable suspension. The STB and Leo 1 aren’t even CLOSE in capability, and the STB will win that fight 10/10 times.
If only it wasn’t so horribly sluggish.
It turns WAY worse than all the other Leopard 1 variants
I agree. In the current state, Germany at 8.0, I have found, is incredibly lackluster. They should revert it back to 7.7, same with the Spz BMP and Marder 1A3
After the last bullshiratings changes Germany was completely ruined.
With the exception of few rare and premiuns all TT vehicles are closer to 30% win ratio LOL.
I made that post 9 months ago, I cant believe people are still arguing in this thread. The 8-16x zoom is part of what MAKES it good. Its much more usable than all the 6x garbage. Its got the same HEATFS shell that every other NATO MBT around that BR has, so that isnt really a problem.
Type 74/STB are also 0.3 higher, are SIGNIFICANTLY slower, has a significantly slower reverse speed, and while yes you get the suspension, you have to actually deploy it which means you need to stop and adjust it to get the gun depression angles you need which takes a lot of extra time. You then need to reset it to move around again. Its a great advantage but its also a weakness.
The Leopard can quickly get into strong flanking positions the Type 74 couldnt dream of reaching with its difference in mobilty. The tanks look similar on paper but play very differently in practice.
Meanwhile the Leopard 1 destroys literally everything sitting at 7.7.
Love the 8-16x
Absolutely, its a massive advantage. I genuinely have no idea why people say they hate it.
Perhaps we need more BR decompression around 8.0?
Maybe give it something to warrant 8.0 or 8.3? Would fit nicely with 8.3 germany, given a LRF (idk if it actually had this)
Those were moved up to decompress the 6.7-8.0 range. Absolutely not. Moving them down just makes it worse for everyone except the players in those tanks.
The leopard one is quite good at 8.0, and it is certainly better than the AMX-30 that’s also 8.0.
Win rate is quite literally useless as a metric for balancing.
As someone who’s played both, the AMX-30 starts to struggle at longer ranges due to its worse optics and bad shell velocity.
The leopard 1 is also great in closer combat, it is mobile, has decent gun handling, and it has a powerful gun. It is a great sniper, but that doesn’t mean it is bad in closer range combat.
Entire lineups are under 50% win ratio but according to you everything is fine ?
WIN RATE IS A USELESS METRIC FOR BALANCING
So no argument, ok thanks for nothing.
Why a guy never played Leopard in RB is a disccusion about Leopard in REALISTIC BATTLES???
TROLLS.
sigh
Win rate tells you nothing about k/d, and can be very easily influenced by MM and differing playerbases (Minor nations tend to have significantly better players)
You can quite literally see it in action here
The panther II, KT 105, Maus and E-100 are significantly more likely to be played by actually skilled players- hence why their win rate is higher.
Even pure K/D isnt a good metric for the same reason-
Japan has an amazing K/D ratio between 2.7 and 3.7, but they are in no way op.
also fun fact in ab isreal has a 9 K/D ratio at toptier lol
Winrate is a mix of player skill, lineup quality, vehicle quality, and how the MM is. A bad winrate doesn’t mean the vehicles are bad since there is way more factors that can affect it.
How do we know that German players at that BR aren’t just bad players, but rather decent players using bad tanks?
Higer win ratios but rarely played thats why the are higher. But Gaijin use this metod for balance vehicles thats why Panther 2 is 7.0 right now for example or the German T-34 is 4.3.
So again win ratios is the only Gaijin check for move up or down BRs and yes still more reliable than K/D ratios for example. Becuase whn every tech tree vehicle betwwen 7.0 to 7.7 is near 30% win ratios is becuase we have a brutal balance problem!!!
The german T-34 has addon armor at the front- that is why it is at 4.3.
Becuase before the stupid and non criteria last changes in BRs his win ratios were much better. The problem are not the players are the broken and poor lineups. Germany is weaker than the other nations that all. The poblem in this forum is infested of anti-germany guys dont accept another thing like fuck germany in every rank possible.
Before changes, but looks like germany is the only nation ingame suffer of expontanium braindead peak of players…
