Leopard 1 is way too weak at 8.0

Absolutely, its a massive advantage. I genuinely have no idea why people say they hate it.

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Perhaps we need more BR decompression around 8.0?
Maybe give it something to warrant 8.0 or 8.3? Would fit nicely with 8.3 germany, given a LRF (idk if it actually had this)

Those were moved up to decompress the 6.7-8.0 range. Absolutely not. Moving them down just makes it worse for everyone except the players in those tanks.

The leopard one is quite good at 8.0, and it is certainly better than the AMX-30 that’s also 8.0.

Win rate is quite literally useless as a metric for balancing.

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As someone who’s played both, the AMX-30 starts to struggle at longer ranges due to its worse optics and bad shell velocity.

The leopard 1 is also great in closer combat, it is mobile, has decent gun handling, and it has a powerful gun. It is a great sniper, but that doesn’t mean it is bad in closer range combat.

Entire lineups are under 50% win ratio but according to you everything is fine ?

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WIN RATE IS A USELESS METRIC FOR BALANCING

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So no argument, ok thanks for nothing.

Why a guy never played Leopard in RB is a disccusion about Leopard in REALISTIC BATTLES???

TROLLS.

sigh

Win rate tells you nothing about k/d, and can be very easily influenced by MM and differing playerbases (Minor nations tend to have significantly better players)
You can quite literally see it in action here

The panther II, KT 105, Maus and E-100 are significantly more likely to be played by actually skilled players- hence why their win rate is higher.

Even pure K/D isnt a good metric for the same reason-
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Japan has an amazing K/D ratio between 2.7 and 3.7, but they are in no way op.

also fun fact in ab isreal has a 9 K/D ratio at toptier lol
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Winrate is a mix of player skill, lineup quality, vehicle quality, and how the MM is. A bad winrate doesn’t mean the vehicles are bad since there is way more factors that can affect it.

How do we know that German players at that BR aren’t just bad players, but rather decent players using bad tanks?

Higer win ratios but rarely played thats why the are higher. But Gaijin use this metod for balance vehicles thats why Panther 2 is 7.0 right now for example or the German T-34 is 4.3.
So again win ratios is the only Gaijin check for move up or down BRs and yes still more reliable than K/D ratios for example. Becuase whn every tech tree vehicle betwwen 7.0 to 7.7 is near 30% win ratios is becuase we have a brutal balance problem!!!

The german T-34 has addon armor at the front- that is why it is at 4.3.

Becuase before the stupid and non criteria last changes in BRs his win ratios were much better. The problem are not the players are the broken and poor lineups. Germany is weaker than the other nations that all. The poblem in this forum is infested of anti-germany guys dont accept another thing like fuck germany in every rank possible.

Before changes, but looks like germany is the only nation ingame suffer of expontanium braindead peak of players…
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Exactly the same as T-34 STZ and stay in 4.0…

Also false. It has more turret armor and a better reload.

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Decompressing 6.7 isn’t stupid, it is probably one of the best BR changes Gaijin ever did.

When German mains have stellar takes like “leopard 1 bad” they do have a point.

STZ has the old turret, while the German one has the more armoured and newer one.

how is this thread getting attention fr…how it got 477 posts…

“Swedish era armor”

lololol

Let me teach you something, the Strv 103 has 40mm of armor, if you catch them on weird angles or terrain.

The 81-101,104-105 are, laughably easy to kill.

The leopard is a glass cannon, like most early MBT’s, and should be played as such, especially with its high mobility.

Frontal hull armor is the same, the turret is better but 1942 version have a exposed turret ring weakspot and reload is basically the same 6.9 secs. vs 6.5 secs.

Of course you defending every Gaijin fail. The compression is the same almost in every rank, the improve was minimal and for certian antions like Germany was a big nerf.

Germans mains calling bad a tank with crap win ratio and K/D. In the other side anti germany guys saying a tank with 30% win ratio and crap K/d is insane good…is clear how lie here.

Old turret is weaker but dont have turret ring weakspot. Both are pretty similar but of course German one is higher as usual.

Hmmm. I’m surprised that Wiesel’s ability to cap and scout targets doesn’t help the team much.